Washington Washington Democrats File Permit-to-Purchase Bill and More

[NeoBlackdog]

Maybe Dan Mitchell can come up with some kind of online program? Like reviewing it via smart phone??

Or maybe the firearms owners of Washington can get off their collective duffs and fight for their Constitutionally protected rights?

 

[Tinman357]

I wish so too.

 

[crstrode]

Apples and oranges.

More like apples and road-apples

 

[nwslopoke]

Most of what you mention cannot be solved. Short of some kind of authoritarian socialsim. Which isn't really a great idea.

I recall in my lifetime when those measures were in place and working. My friends mother in HS became a doctor in one of the state mental hospitals (I don't remember which type of Dr she was). The LAPD where a-h***s in my youth, but they did lock people up. Bad deeds had consequences and citizens had expectations on how to act in public.

I don't see where that requires authoritarian socialism control. It's long standing laws and morals in America.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Don't forget WA passed a law in 2018 that gun owners must pass YEARLY background checks. They have no way to implement it because they have no registry.

The permit process gives them their registry and once they have it they can add new rules each year you must follow to continue to keep your guns and/or ammunition.

Violent criminal activity won't be reduced because they are not addressing the cause of the problem (they are in fact making conditions for MORE violent criminal behavior). But it will be blamed on guns each year and they will say "we need more gun laws" each year. Permit and gun registry is the way they can control guns long into the future so Imo this it's perhaps the worst threat to long term gun rights.

Here is the current WA law:



Note the current law says if owner is found in violation of any state laws they cannot continue to possess the guns (ie not just a prohibition against acquiring new guns, have to give up old ones).

 

[monkeybutler]

I don't see where that requires authoritarian socialism control.

That, specifically, does not. I was speaking about the totality of social ambitions mentioned in another post.

 

[Knobgoblin]

That, specifically, does not. I was speaking about the totality of social ambitions mentioned in another post.

You and I can agree that it's not a simple fix. Could we also agree that the current direction is absolutely the wrong way? The west coast has tried the San Francisco summer of love free store concept and it's a proven failure. Decades of wasted effort trying to teach pigs how to sing, and all we get are more laws and policies making excuses for weak people.

 

[monkeybutler]

You and I can agree that it's not a simple fix. Could we also agree that the current direction is absolutely the wrong way? The west coast has tried the San Francisco summer of love free store concept and it's a proven failure. Decades of wasted effort trying to teach pigs how to sing, and all we get are more laws and policies making excuses for weak people.

Well, yeah, of course. Working assumption.

But 'solving' the clusterphux of issues brought up here would almost inevitably involve a lot of expression of government authority, and our money. Flushy flushy.

 

[gmerkt]

Or maybe the firearms owners of Washington can get off their collective duffs and fight for their Constitutionally protected rights?

Okay, I see you live in Montana.

In Washington state, it's estimated that 42.1 per cent of households own firearms. That doesn't mean that everyone in a household is a gun owner, nor might vote pro gun. In any case, 42.1 per cent of anything is a minority. Which means you aren't going to be likely to get a passing majority vote on anything or anyone who is pro gun.

So don't get up on your hind legs about collective guilt of Washington gun owners. Because collectively they are in a distinct minority.

 

[Hemlock]

https://www.ammoland.com/2023/12/wa...ll-training-live-fire-required/#axzz8LbwCgwYd

Okay. I posted this to be informative for us Washington residents. Debate is good. If only one more person becomes aware, then the post has done its job.
We all have our own way, in our mind and in our actions, how we will tolerate, abide by or fight what we don't think is right.

Democrats did the same thing last year. Flood the system and see what sticks. Please vote.

 

[Koda]

if only 42% of households own guns its amazing weve lasted this long.

 

[NeoBlackdog]

Okay, I see you live in Montana.

In Washington state, it's estimated that 42.1 per cent of households own firearms. That doesn't mean that everyone in a household is a gun owner, nor might vote pro gun. In any case, 42.1 per cent of anything is a minority. Which means you aren't going to be likely to get a passing majority vote on anything or anyone who is pro gun.

So don't get up on your hind legs about collective guilt of Washington gun owners. Because collectively they are in a distinct minority.

It only took around 3% of us actively working at it to throw the British out a couple centuries back.
What % of the population identifies as LGBTQXYZetc? Probably a lot fewer than 42% and look what they've managed to do! As a group we (yes, I'm including myself) suck at working together for our own common good. We have to do a better job of it or soon we will lose our rights.

 

[PiratePast40]

The first thing someone needs to do is start getting organized to run a campaign against the measure. Run it like a full blown political campaign because that's exactly what it is. I highly recommend that someone attend the Western Liberty Network Leadership and Activist Training Conference on Feb 3rd so they can get an idea on how to plan your campaign, develop a budget, raise funds, and enlist others to help.

If someone wants to take the reigns, or at least get the ball started, feel free to PM me and I can help you out with what we did for the Oregon M114 campaign and what I've learned since. It will take many people dedicated to seeing this thing defeated and they all need to at least be headed toward the same objective. I have ideas on leadership, messaging, recruiting, and budget development/funding that I will be glad to share.

The biggest thing is that people need to get started ASAP. There will be many organizations that can help in the effort. Not all will be organized or even have the same tactics or objectives, but you still need to build allies across all the groups. Don't be surprised when some gun owners, and even gun shop owners, start saying that they think training and permits will be a good idea. Have your well thought out responses memorized and ready, and don't let a few fools slow you down. They may become allies later, so don't throw them under the bus just yet.

It's going to be a tough fight and you have well funded national organizations fighting against you.

Reach out and do something other than be a keyboard commando. It's going to take hard work and, most likely, more personal time and money that you think it will. Make a plan and get ready to go into battle. It will not be pretty or easy, but the only chance you have is to make and execute a plan.

I hope and pray that you can kill this beast before it's too late.

 

[PiratePast40]

Keyboard masterbation...not enough people willing to do what it takes to handle these tyrants, things aren't bad enough for enough to realize that and by the time they do, it'll already be too late...

Why not be a leader yourself?

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Here are the voting results of 2018 WA measure which were the strictest gun laws on WA up until that date. Includes mandatory yearly background checks for gun owners (to continue to keep their guns, not just for new purchases). That part is law but they can't implement it yet cuz no gun registry yet.

42% own guns but if even .01% own guns those individuals are protected under the constitution. Therefore courts can be effective. Politics, well judge for yourself but the 2018 voting is pretty telling imo. I would put my efforts to those fighting this in the courts (such as GOA, SAF, FPC) if I were looking how to be effective in fighting this. Having said that though, I know Influential politicians can make a difference too. But trying to change or even overcome king county? Hmmmm...

As for the permit effort, I would educate poeple that the permit is a gun registry. And the process to confiscate guns is already law in WA (yearly mandatory background checks - see the current law below). This permit process/WA gun registry will likely give them the means to implement gun confiscation at some point in the future.

 

[Koda]

what is it about population centers that make people feel safer without guns?

 

[arakboss]

what is it about population centers that make people feel safer without guns?

Less Grizzlies around.

 

[CamoDeafie]

what is it about population centers that make people feel safer without guns?

"Everyone's a neighbor, a friend, friendly cops on every corner"

 

[CamoDeafie]

Less Grizzlies around.

Ya seen some of these homeless guys!?

 

[NeoBlackdog]

Less Grizzlies around.

Frankly, I'd rather deal with the grizzly's. They're (mostly) predictable.