Other State Waco: Behaviors could presage workplace violence, psychologist says

[E4mafia]

Got this from a work email going over security related information.

Waco: Behaviors could presage workplace violence, psychologist says

Kinda talks about some of the things I have brought up before with my field about how even though the training they offer is only for once the damage is done and little how to mitigate it from happening.


All I can think of is "an armed society is a polite society"

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[Jonnyuma]

I thought this was going to be a dissection of the bloodthirsty Clinton/Reno doctrine from the 90s.

Watching video of the Branch Davidian "rescue" where the FBI's vaunted HRT fired blindly at windows and doors with 0 hard (identified) targets along with decision and top-down acceptance of turning a simple arrest into a seige seems to indicate a predilection towards violence.

It's not about that at all, but I already had the rant chambered. If I learned nothing else from the Reno Reign of Ruthlessness, I learned that if you're chambered... go full-auto and be pathetic at the inquiry.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

Looks like a combination of be your brothers keeper, bubblegumhouse psychologist and see something, say something. Eerily reminds me of the party members children in Orwell's 1984 always watching and analyzing to catch adults committing thought crime.

 

[Jonnyuma]

"For the most part police have systems in place to teach people how to survive a mass casualty event when one happens..."

Oh good. That's important. Basic first aid, proper application of tourniquets, Start the breathing, Stop the bleeding, Protect the wound, Treat for shock.. stuff like that, right?

"...classes for businesses to train employees how to respond to an active shooting situation..."

Oh awesome. Evasion and escape, good stuff. But what if you're trapped and no exit is available? You naturally teach these potentially unfortunate citizens how to take effective cover and return fire, right? The difference between cover and concealment, and how to network with their fellow employees to outmaneuver, possibly flank, and stop the assailant, right? I mean, that would be truly revolutionary and could put a STOP to this insanity.
What exactly is involved in your training regimen?

"...how to hide..."

Oh.

 

[ma96782]

Follow the Money.

He's a psychologist so......


IMHO....probably, there is something to this Red Flag movement, from that angle. Hummmm.....pass a psychological screening prior to owning a firearm. Sounds "reasonable". Rrrrright.

Aloha, Mark

 

[E4mafia]

"For the most part police have systems in place to teach people how to survive a mass casualty event when one happens..."

Oh good. That's important. Basic first aid, proper application of tourniquets, Start the breathing, Stop the bleeding, Protect the wound, Treat for shock.. stuff like that, right?

"...classes for businesses to train employees how to respond to an active shooting situation..."

Oh awesome. Evasion and escape, good stuff. But what if you're trapped and no exit is available? You naturally teach these potentially unfortunate citizens how to take effective cover and return fire, right? The difference between cover and concealment, and how to network with their fellow employees to outmaneuver, possibly flank, and stop the assailant, right? I mean, that would be truly revolutionary and could put a STOP to this insanity.
What exactly is involved in your training regimen?

"...how to hide..."

Oh.

We had a presentation here a few times around 2017 and 2018 about active shooters and what you should do.

RUN. HIDE. FIGHT.
Thats pretty much all it said to do and showed some corporate office stock film scenario.

If only there were more cool companies with allowing and abiding state laws about having a CHL...
Here in Oregon I know its cool unless told otherwise, posted signage or you've been informed via contract/company/owner not to.

But even then it sounds like unless if you complied to leave if discovered nothing massive would happen.

 

[Cavedweller]

Carter said there are definite red flags.

"Things that always concern me are imperative thinking, like holding very strong opinions about something, an unwillingness to listen to others' viewpoints and always insisting that, regardless of the situation, they are right and everyone else is wrong," Carter said.

You mean like most liberals?

 

[ma96782]

Aloha, Mark

 

[scrandall01215]

Carter says Quote "Things that always concern me are imperative thinking, like holding very strong opinions about something, "
So very strong opinion on 2A, police corruption, gov. Corruption, non socialist ideas, conservatism thinking.
Are all red flags is what he is saying! Right?
Scary? In my opinion yes!!! If we don't stand up against this kinda thinking we will lose ALL of OUR Constitutional Rights as we know them now!!!!!
Stacy
Edit @Cavedweller you replied as I was typing

 

[Jonnyuma]

Here in Oregon I know its cool unless told otherwise, posted signage or you've been informed via contract/company/owner not to.

The company that I work for as a truck driver has, I think, a policy against carrying guns... there are no gun-buster signs at the facility and, although asked (repeatedly) to e-sign that I have read and understand the electronic Employee Handbook, I never have. It only comes up once a year and eventually goes away.

Once, when asked at a WA weigh station if I had any firearms on board (I have a nonresident WA CPL) I told the officer that, "I think my company has a policy against that...".
He said (interest piqued), " That's not what I asked you... ".
I said, "No, Sir. But that is my answer.".
Surprisingly, he left it alone. We ended-up being buddies for the short time I spent in that chicken coop.

Anyway, concealed is concealed. Don't ask, don't tell. Be discreet and avoid problems. Know your rights and the states' you're operating in's laws. We're good here in the PNW (WA, OR, MT, ID) as far as GFZs are concerned... I carry everywhere I go including the bank branch I visited this morning. That also includes visiting hospitals, grocery stores, and schools (local and state laws apply*).

They can ask you to leave or leave your gun off-premesis and you'll need to comply. Short of a Post Office or courthouse (or other federally "protected" site" you're fine and if you conceal smartly it will NEVER be an issue.

*In OR things may be slightly different, but it's my home state. I have no occasion to visit those places in other states so I'm not 100% on the law. Concealed is concealed and if done right, it will never be an issue.

 

[scrandall01215]

The company that I work for as a truck driver has, I think, a policy against carrying guns... there are no gun-buster signs at the facility and, although asked (repeatedly) to e-sign that I have read and understand the electronic Employee Handbook, I never have. It only comes up once a year and eventually goes away.

Once, when asked at a WA weigh station if I had any firearms on board (I have a nonresident WA CPL) I told the officer that, "I think my company has a policy against that...".
He said (interest piqued), " That's not what I asked you... ".
I said, "No, Sir. But that is my answer.".
Surprisingly, he left it alone. We ended-up being buddies for the short time I spent in that chicken coop.

Anyway, concealed is concealed. Don't ask, don't tell. Be discreet and avoid problems. Know your rights and the states' you're operating in's laws. We're good here in the PNW (WA, OR, MT, ID) as far as GFZs are concerned... I carry everywhere I go including the bank branch I visited this morning. That also includes visiting hospitals, grocery stores, and schools (local and state laws apply*).

They can ask you to leave or leave your gun off-premesis and you'll need to comply. Short of a Post Office or courthouse (or other federally "protected" site" you're fine and if you conceal smartly it will NEVER be an issue.

*In OR things may be slightly different, but it's my home state. I have no occasion to visit those places in other states so I'm not 100% on the law. Concealed is concealed and if done right, it will never be an issue.

I agree with you' entire statement except as a class A driver which I'm assuming that you are it is against federal law in the FMCR
Being a truck driver myself I agree concealed is concealed and they really have no right to frisk you Unless they have reasonable suspicion.
Just wasn't sure you realized that or not not trying to call you out or anything just a FYI.
Stacy

 

[The Heretic]

Follow the Money.

He's a psychologist so......
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IMHO....probably, there is something to this Red Flag movement, from that angle. Hummmm.....pass a psychological screening prior to owning a firearm. Sounds "reasonable". Rrrrright.

Aloha, Mark

but the background check he failed "isn't really a background check at all," Truehitt said.

"What it amounts to is a simple criminal case history and has no detail about that person's background or mental stability," Truehitt said.

Carter said there are definite red flags.

"Things that always concern me are imperative thinking, like holding very strong opinions about something,

Ok. So we are going to have to go to a shrink and get evaluated to pass a BGC?

As most people here know by know, I have strong opinions about a number of subjects, whether it is political, or as some people at my workplace will tell you, about how to do things in my profession. I also tend to hold grudges - for a long time - especially with regards to people who have wronged me or my family.

But I don't threaten people. I don't try to do them harm. I would only ever act in self-defense. If someone wrongs me, or I strongly dislike them, I walk away - life is too short, etc.

It would take a few days at least to get to know me, and some checklist or personality test probably won't reliably sort out the crazies who are smart enough to cheat - and it is the smart crazies that are really the most dangerous ones. The stupid ones give themselves away.

In short, this is just another way that the "elites" (people who think they know how to run other people's lives better than the people themselves) will use to control others they think are inferior - especially when it comes to a balance of power, a balance they want to strongly favor themselves. Of course, their response to that would be that I am paranoid.

 

[ma96782]

I don't like UBCs at all. Nor, permits, waiting periods, health assessments, fingerprinting of applicants, needs-based tests, registration lists, etc....

What I was trying to point out......
Was that a psychological test/screening might be in our future. IF, the anti-gunners get their way. Remember, the goal is......the elimination of guns in America. Lacking that......to meanwhile, make guns less accessible. Then, hopefully soon, the entire culture of gun ownership will die off. Thus, confiscation of what remains will be infinitely easier.

Of course, the AMA (or whatever the name of the Psychologist Association is) will back up any bill that makes them more money. But they'll say, like the politicians say....... that it's about SAFETY. All while enriching themselves. Ka-ching!!!

Hummm.......
Just like how the local gun shop here (Vancouver, WA and currently out of business) wanted mandatory background checks for all sales/transfers, in the name of SAFETY. Ka-ching!!!!

Aloha, Mark

 

[zenbreath]

I generally agree with all of your comments, but for balance, I'll take the other side on this one.

Chris Kyle is dead because he ignored red flags.

 

[E4mafia]

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[CRBMoA]

Front door, my office.

 

[E4mafia]

Front door, my office.

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Dude I wish we had this at my job.
Reasoning

The Emotional Traps of Soft Target Security

After mass shootings, bombings, cyberattacks, and more, is security fatigue starting to take its toll?

www.asisonline.org

Already tried speaking with my boss to have them discuss this at their big meetings in response to the rise of aggression in the reported public and really part of my job field is largely about finding vulnerabilities and fixing or suggesting how to fix to prevent incidents from happening.

 

[Cavedweller]

I understand the concerns for safety in the workplace, but in today's snowflake inhabited clown world of micro aggressions, it seems that one man's free speech is the next man's violence.

How does motor vehicle accidents being the most common form of workplace fatalities translate to active shooter being the most serious threat we face?

Where is perspective these days?
Odds of being struck by lightning: 1/700,000
Odds of being killed in mass shooting: 1/10,000,000

Officially encouraged snitchng + red flag laws x feminized society x media sensationalism = death of freedom.

 

[ma96782]

I generally agree with all of your comments, but for balance, I'll take the other side on this one.

Chris Kyle is dead because he ignored red flags.

IMHO....there is a right way and a wrong way to get someone committed to an institution.

Aloha, Mark

 

[Cavedweller]

Chris Kyle is dead because he ignored red flags.

I think that judgement may be a bit harsh. Kyle volunteered with a program intended to treat veterans with PTSD. He was murdered by Eddie Routh, an Iraq war veteran diagnosed with PTSD by the VA. But in truth, Routh was a full-blown paranoid schizophrenic with suicidal tendencies, loaded up with psychotropic meds by VA doctors, which he may or may not have been taking at the time of the murder.

His inclusion in the program Kyle participated in was totally inappropriate for his condition. Their range day was set up by other people, and I am not aware of any evidence that Kyle met Routh prior to the day they went to the range. You may have other sources of info, but as far as I know they were strangers to each other.

Kyle was aware that something was wrong with Routh, and asked his companion to "watch his six." Should he have called the outing off? Maybe so. If that's what you mean by ignoring red flags, then I guess you are right. But it's not like they had a long history of interaction together.

More like another screw-up by the VA. What's really troubling is that Routh had a job at an elementary school. How many ways could that have gone south?

The Undoing of Eddie Ray Routh

Private medical records of Chris Kyle's killer reveal the true story behind the "American Sniper" murder.

www.thetrace.org