Update from OSP about 114

[curtissh]

"Ben Morris, a spokesperson for the Secretary of State's Office, said the confusion may have stemmed from this year's change allowing ballots to be post-marked on Election Day Nov. 8 and counted if they arrived within seven days of the election. That pushed back the state deadline for the vote to be officially certified to Dec. 15, creating the unusual circumstance of having a ballot measure's effective date -- Dec. 8 -- fall before the deadline for vote certification."

That makes zero sense - either someone needs to explain like I'm five, or we still have a HUGE issue here. Also need someone to post a link to the statute/law itself.

It's in the constitution. Article IV, Sec. 1(4)(d) "[A]n initiative or referendum measure becomes effective 30 days after the day on which it is enacted or approved by a majority of the votes cast thereon." It doesn't say anything about the date the results are certified.

 

[solv3nt]

It's in the constitution. Article IV, Sec. 1(4)(d) "[A]n initiative or referendum measure becomes effective 30 days after the day on which it is enacted or approved by a majority of the votes cast thereon." It doesn't say anything about the date the results are certified.

I will say that something isn't enacted until certified.

 

[PDXbiker]

It's in the constitution. Article IV, Sec. 1(4)(d) "[A]n initiative or referendum measure becomes effective 30 days after the day on which it is enacted or approved by a majority of the votes cast thereon." It doesn't say anything about the date the results are certified.

So, approved by votes would be Nov 8. Officially enacted would be when certified Dec 15. Secretary of State has decided to go with Nov 8 and 30 days to Dec 8. As in, forget this certification business.

 

[curtissh]

I will say that something isn't enacted until certified.

There's certainly been a great deal of discussion about that point. The Oregonian article today discussed it. I tend to agree with the SOS and the Governor. If the drafters had wanted to say 30 days after certification, they would have said that. Instead, they said 30 days after "enacted or approved." The fact that certification can happen after 30 days is a product of the new legislation allowing mail-in ballots to be post-marked as late as November 8. Of course, that legislation was prepared and passed by dipbubblegums, specifically to benefit dipbubblegums.

Edit -- I am endlessly amused in the way it auto-corrects dipsh**s.

Oregon gun sales skyrocket after gun control Measure 114 passes

The week of Oct. 30, the state police received 8,609 requests for gun background checks on prospective buyers. In the following election week of Nov. 6, the requests more than doubled to 18,065, according to Capt. Stephanie Bigman, a state police spokesperson.

www.oregonlive.com

 

[solv3nt]

There's certainly been a great deal of discussion about that point. The Oregonian article today discussed it. I tend to agree with the SOS and the Governor. If the drafters had wanted to say 30 days after certification, they would have said that. Instead, they said 30 days after "enacted or approved." The fact that certification can happen after 30 days is a product of the new legislation allowing mail-in ballots to be post-marked as late as November 8. Of course, that legislation was prepared and passed by dipbubblegums, specifically to benefit dipbubblegums.

Edit -- I am endlessly amused in the way it auto-corrects dipsh**s.

Oregon gun sales skyrocket after gun control Measure 114 passes

The week of Oct. 30, the state police received 8,609 requests for gun background checks on prospective buyers. In the following election week of Nov. 6, the requests more than doubled to 18,065, according to Capt. Stephanie Bigman, a state police spokesperson.

www.oregonlive.com

It doesn't matter what the drafters say in it, what matters is the constitution.

 

[corsar66]

I just picked up a used firearm purchased online, had an appointment for 4:00pm, got out the door 4:20

 

[curtissh]

It doesn't matter what the drafters say in it, what matters is the constitution.

I was, of course, referring to the drafters of that constitutional provision. Had they meant 30 days after certified, that's what it would have said. Instead, it says 30 days after "enacted or approved."

 

[Stomper]

It's the secretary of state that needs the correction.

She needs more than just correction…..

 

[Stomper]

You guys sound racist.

FYI- we hate everyone EQUALLY!!

 

[Member 53328]

FYI- we hate everyone EQUALLY!!

Everyone is equally worthless.

 

[GeneJr]

I could swear I read somewhere OR law states that Ballot Measures go into effect 30 days after they are CERTIFIED, not 30 days after election day. Worth looking into and sending to OSP for correction.

They're still counting votes as of tonight... so it would make sense that 30 days after vote certified... and all in que should be approved being it is their already broken system.

 

[Cracker]

So....Are they going to lay off the entire BGC department in Salem?

 

[GrayGoose]

So....Are they going to lay off the entire BGC department in Salem?

Who GAF?

 

[solv3nt]

Who GAF?

If nobody is buying guns, why have the background check clerks?

 

[Cracker]

If nobody is buying guns, why have the background check clerks?

Exactly.

 

[PDXbiker]

If nobody is buying guns, why have the background check clerks?

They can join all the unemployed gun shop workers

 

[PDXbiker]

KOIN Portland news report

 

[GrayGoose]

If nobody is buying guns, why have the background check clerks?

Yep, they can all go find real jobs then. Or not. I really don't GAF about them.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

Yep, they can all go find real jobs then. Or not. I really don't GAF about them.

Maybe they should learn to code

 

[Yarome]

It's the secretary of state that needs the correction.

Yup. In her ultimate wisdom.. she has announced her decision to forego Oregon State Law and bypass the 30day enactment delay. Dec 8th it is.