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Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by yskippy, Jan 10, 2010.

  1. yskippy

    yskippy Tigard Life Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Makes me happy for the 2nd amendment and the fact we kicked their butts 230 years ago :thumbup:


    From the UK:

    The TV star and Marks & Spencer model was in her kitchen, with her daughter upstairs, when she spotted people peering into her window just after midnight on Friday.

    She grabbed a knife and banged the windows before they ran away.

    Hertfordshire Police officers warned Klass she should not have used a knife to scare off the teens because carrying an "offensive weapon" - even in her own home - was illegal.

    Klass told Sky News in a statement: "My family are totally fine and I thank the police for being so re-assuring and comforting.

    "However, I was left shocked and surprised to be told that a private individual in the privacy of their own home runs the risk of committing a criminal offence if, out of fear for their own safety and their loved ones, they grab something with which they could defend themselves if an intruder enters their home.:eek:

    "I totally respect British law - but surely everyone has the right to self-defence in their own home if they are in danger?"

    Her spokesman Jonathan Shalit said the former Hearsay singer was "utterly terrified" and was stepping up security at the property near Potters Bar.

    He told the Sunday Telegraph: "Myleene was aghast when she was told that the law did not allow her to defend herself at home.

    "All she did was scream loudly and wave the knife to try and frighten them off."

    Klass' fiance Graham Quinn was away on business at the time of the scare.

    It came amid calls for greater rights for people to defend themselves against intruders on their property.

    In December, Munir Hussain was jailed for attacking a man who tied up his family in their home. He and his brother used a cricket bat to beat one of the intruders.
  2. USMC1911

    USMC1911 Salem Active Member

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    Its a sad day when someone cant defend themself or family in there own home without fear of becoming a criminal themself. I bet the average brit back in the day, just like the average american now never tought it would get to be the way it is now.
  3. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    I didn't know A Clockwork Orange was a non-fiction film.
  4. Jdub22

    Jdub22 Vancouver, WA Member

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    rather than call police, eventually it'll be: "hide the intruder's body and let's forget this whole thing"

    that's really F'd up.
  5. zul

    zul PDX Member

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    It's funny. You know how guns often get a bad rap in the states? Ever gotten that look of fright from an ignorant person when they heard you own a firearm (or *GASP* two)? Well it's the same way in the UK with knives. Yup. Read up on petty crimes in london - thugs and criminals are all armed and dangerous with knives these days, and the offense is nearly the same as someone wielding a pistol unlawfully here in the states. It's crazy!
  6. NoAim

    NoAim Hillsboro, OR Active Member

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    "Shoot, Shovel, and Shutup"
  7. ZachS

    ZachS Eugene/PDX Active Member

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    It's no coincidence that all of the great 20th century dystopian novels - A Clockwork Orange, Brave New World, and 1984 - were set in the UK. Even Yevgeny Zamyatin's We, a Russian novel (and probably the inspiration for all of the above books), was inspired as much by the author's experiences in Britain in the teens and twenties as by the Bolsheviks.

    We, by the way, is the best of the bunch. A lot more abstract and artistic (think Metropolis instead of V for Vendetta), but I think even those of you who aren't literary geeks would like it a great deal. Check it out.
  8. Ding

    Ding Lighter Side of Oz Active Member

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    that would be:Stab,Shovel,Shutup..
  9. treemanx

    treemanx Spray, Or. Active Member

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    Talk about stripping people of one of their basic rights in life.......protecting yourself and family. Total BS.
  10. MarkSBG

    MarkSBG Beaverton Oregon Well-Known Member

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    This is full on insane.

    Maybe next, they will outlaw dodging the blows of a home invader. That would be just RUDE!
  11. twoclones

    twoclones Tri-Cities, WA Well-Known Member

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    Starting to sound like South Africa where citizens have 6' tall fences and punji sticks in the yard because crime is rampant and resisting assult could land you in jail.
  12. ORBrit

    ORBrit Eugene Member

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    Let's hope the other not so great things about the UK (my home land) don't make it over here...

    ...like socialized medicine

    personally I won't be going back to live there if I can help it.
  13. dobanion

    dobanion North Portland, Oregon Member

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    No you don't. You're British. Deal with it.

    Now law down on the floor and let the aggressor do whatever they want. IT'S THE LAW.
  14. NWPilgrim

    NWPilgrim Portland area Member

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    Is there no common sense remaining in Britain?

    As it is often observed, empires fall from weakness within rather than defeat abroad. The Brits seem to have abandoned any pretense of manly self preservation.

    I could not imagine such as sad state of human slef-imposed bondage. Reality in Britain is worse than any novel fantasy.

    Whatever are the thoughts that lead to such decisions and laws?
  15. elsullo

    elsullo Portland Oregon New Member

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    An entertaining site is www.MailOnSunday.co.uk This is the website of Britain's main scandal tabloid, and frequently rants about crime and the evil of weapons and self-defence. Handguns are almost completely banned---you can keep a .22 if it is locked up at your shooting club and never leaves. It is even illegal to keep a plastic "replica" airsoft pistol, even with the orange barrel!

    Street crime and "Knife-crime" is so prominent in the minds of the police that nearly every pub has a specific, secure trash can at the entrance to drop your knife into in case the pub gets raided for weapons---which HAPPENS. The police put up random metal detectors on urban sidewalks and require pedestrians to go through, as if it were an airport. It is illegal to carry ANY locking blade knife---including a LEATHERMAN TOOL! I also believe that any pocket knife over two inches is banned. Politicians are literally discussing a prohibition on sale of any knife with a POINT! No kidding, all blades might even have to be broken off to have a blunt tip.

    The worst bit is that the public, at least the voters, seem to want this tyranny. Pro-freedom representatives don't get elected enough to change anything. After handguns were confiscated home-invasion robberies increased by 300%, because the criminals know that the residents cannot defend themselves. Yet the weapons laws are not repealed.

    Britain has become completely ruled by the tabloid media of sensationalist journalism. The Mail newspaper even led a national crusade to ban certain kinds of fantasy adult pornography. You can get three years in prison for having some adult "anime" images on your hard drive, and the police have the right to enter and search on the slightest suspicion of your Internet Service Provider.

    The key is that Britain has no real Constitution, and no Bill Of Rights. There is no legal freedom of speech, freedom to bear arms, freedom of self-defence, no guarantee of Civil Liberties. We must be ever vigilant for erosion of our rights! The scandal-mongering media must be opposed! This is who we are.......................elsullo :paranoid:
  16. TAT2D

    TAT2D Portland Member

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    'Atlas Shrugged' was a pretty good read.

    (And who is John Galt?
  17. sillyrabbit

    sillyrabbit Salem, Oregon Member

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    Isn't is sad (outlandish) that our liberal left progressive politicians (and their financial donors, from both parties) actually believe this type of Socialized control is better than our Constitution and Bill Of Rights?

    Socialism in action!

    Careful or that may be our country soon! Doubt it?..... We already have Socialized our debt, now nearing Socialized Heath Care, Socialized much of our financial institutions and manufacturing and created and expanded our "nanny state" of individuals.

    There, but for the grace of God go we....... If we don't do something about it!
  18. captqc

    captqc Tigard Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    Does anybody wonder why the sun does set on the British Empire now?
  19. ZachS

    ZachS Eugene/PDX Active Member

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    Because all of the people in Australia/India/Nigeria/Malaysia/etc deserved democracy and self-government, and the bureaucratic apparatus for maintaining an international empire was mind-bogglingly expensive?
  20. wavo

    wavo Portland Member

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