Tried to Buy Beer With Concealed License

[HB of CJ]

Another bad Oregon identification law we need to amend.

 

[Certaindeaf]

keep in mind, i get carded all the time because i look 17 and cant grow facial hair. i went to buy ammo at bimart with my CHL they told me it has to be goverment issued and on "the list" of accepted IDs.... LOL i asked the clerk "does Marion County Sheriff's Office not count as government issued?"


she sold me the bullets.


pretty sure she was new and just doin her job, which is fine.

Was that a long time ago?
I was at the Woodstock (I know, yuck) Bi-Mart around a year ago and asked for the ammo case to be opened up. The middle-aged lady looked at me like I had just drop-kicked a cat.. musing real loud to herself that she thought I'd need ID yada yada.. anyway, after her calling up front, she still insisted on escorting me to the front, even though she didn't have to/not store policy for either.

 

[bearingman]

Last year, flying to Vegas the TSA accepted my chl, but on the way home they refused it and i needed to show my dl.

 

[v0lcom13sn0w]

Was that a long time ago?
I was at the Woodstock (I know, yuck) Bi-Mart around a year ago and asked for the ammo case to be opened up. The middle-aged lady looked at me like I had just drop-kicked a cat.. musing real loud to herself that she thought I'd need ID yada yada.. anyway, after her calling up front, she still insisted on escorting me to the front, even though she didn't have to/not store policy for either.

less than 4 years ago since i haven't had to renew my chl yet.

were you wearing steel toe atleast?

 

[v0lcom13sn0w]

i was refused beer at rays in sisters once because i had my brother in law and sister in law with me and they were getting groceries... they said they needed all our IDs and i said ok, here's my ID, his ID and hers but shes a minor. they said sorry, we cant sell it to you. i said "the lady infront of me bought a case of coors light with her(im assuming) 12(i think) year old with her and you didnt card him. they said "oh, thats different" i said ok, well you DONT KNOW she wasn't providing for minors, just assuming and im leaving now, youve lost us as future customers here. walked to bimart with my brother and sister in law and they had no problem selling me beer.

 

[Alexx1401]

I could be wrong but my OR CHL doesn't have an holograms or anything on it sobit would be pretty simple to replicate vs a DL.

@Caveman Jim - we get crap paper and OR has a DL looking laminated card with your pic and everything on it. I keep my WA license between my OR one and my NRA card to try and keep it from desingrating in my wallet...

I have always just folded mine in half and keep it in a sleeve. They hold up great as long as they don't go through the wash.

 

[Misteramax]

I got lucky. Wife washed mine but all the information was visible.

 

[Alexx1401]

As someone that regular has to ID people for purchases, no, your CHL is not a valid ID (though I believe it should be). Most rules/laws say "state or federal ID" and an OR CHL is county issued; they don't even look the same. Now, in the rare instance I've been handed a CHL has ID, I explain the same thing, with a wink, and will accept it. I know more goes into a CHL than a drivers license.

What people often do not "get" here is Liquor control. Every state does this different but here and in another state I lived in this can get you a ticket. They made it clear to us when we were in class learning the law to work. If we take a form of ID that is not "accepted" and we are seen by an agent it's a ticket to us. Matters not that the person we sold to is of legal age. The ticket would not be for serving a minor. The ticket would be for a violation of the ID rules. People can kick and get mad at some employee but they are asking the employee to risk their money and job. Another one of those stupid laws that should be changed but asking some clerk to just ignore it is asking the clerk to get in trouble.

 

[clearconscience]

Yeah I know in WA they don't give you a new CHL if you change your address, just have to make sure your DL is up to date.
So if you changed addresses and didn't have your ID you'd be in trouble.

I always just ordered an updated card if I moved just to be safe.

 

[The Heretic]

OLCC doesn't care about HL

"A valid ID card issued by a U.S. state* with photo, name, date of birth, & physical description"

I would think that this covers a CHL/CWP/et. al.:

Oregon CHL meets that criteria.

 

[CHLChris]

My wife and I just did a mortgage closing and we both used our CHL's as a backup ID. It didn't occur to me that it might scare the title company woman. She nervously requested, "Uh, just please don't get angry and pull it out."

I used the next 45 minutes of signing time to walk her through how the cards proved we were certified good guys and would NEVER do that. By the end we had talked to her about an NRA First Steps class and how a firearm would be great for her family with the right training. We became normal to her and were definitely not the scary hotheads she maybe had in her head.

 

[Alexx1401]

"A valid ID card issued by a U.S. state* with photo, name, date of birth, & physical description"

I would think that this covers a CHL/CWP/et. al.:

Oregon CHL meets that criteria.

Again if we are still talking liquor laws it only matters what the board who makes the rules "think". Many seem to forget you are dealing with Gov. Bureaucrats here. Common sense often goes out the window. Never been to a class in OR but have been to one in a couple other states. The rules are laid out and one of the big ones is which forms of ID work. Anyone who decides they are going to accept another form of ID is leaving themselves open to a ticket. Again the ticket is not for serving a minor assuming they find the person served was not a minor. The ticket is for accepting a form of ID you were plainly told does not qualify. Last time I was tending bar this came up. One inspector told someone there "if you ask for ID and we see you take the wrong one it's a ticket. If you do not ask and the person is of age and we check you are good. " The hook was once you ask. If a seller asks they better get the right ID or don't make the sale. Don't know for sure this covers OR but would expect it does. Normally one screw up in this is all you get. Employee's at a bar or store used to be warned. If they got a ticket for the establishment they were now out of a job.

 

[The Heretic]

Again if we are still talking liquor laws it only matters what the board who makes the rules "think". Many seem to forget you are dealing with Gov. Bureaucrats here. Common sense often goes out the window. Never been to a class in OR but have been to one in a couple other states. The rules are laid out and one of the big ones is which forms of ID work. Anyone who decides they are going to accept another form of ID is leaving themselves open to a ticket. Again the ticket is not for serving a minor assuming they find the person served was not a minor. The ticket is for accepting a form of ID you were plainly told does not qualify. Last time I was tending bar this came up. One inspector told someone there "if you ask for ID and we see you take the wrong one it's a ticket. If you do not ask and the person is of age and we check you are good. " The hook was once you ask. If a seller asks they better get the right ID or don't make the sale. Don't know for sure this covers OR but would expect it does. Normally one screw up in this is all you get. Employee's at a bar or store used to be warned. If they got a ticket for the establishment they were now out of a job.

What I quoted was verbatim text from the OLCC

 

[Alexx1401]

What I quoted was verbatim text from the OLCC

OR may well allow the Permit, I don't know. Never tended bar there. If someone wants to know if that form of ID works in OR they would have to ask the people who make the rules in that state. I can tell you that if you come to this state with that as ID they would say sorry, can't take that. Does it make "sense"? No. Does not have to. Dealing with the people who make the rules common sense often goes out the window. Does not matte what anyone thinks.

 

[The Heretic]

OR may well allow the Permit, I don't know. Never tended bar there. If someone wants to know if that form of ID works in OR they would have to ask the people who make the rules in that state. I can tell you that if you come to this state with that as ID they would say sorry, can't take that. Does it make "sense"? No. Does not have to. Dealing with the people who make the rules common sense often goes out the window. Does not matte what anyone thinks.

OP was in Oregon

 

[Alexx1401]

OP was in Oregon

Yet people want to go on and on about what they think, or what "should be". If OR does not allow the permit to be used that's the rules. People can express all the opinions they want, does not change the rules. Again these rules are made by people who don't care if the rules make sense or not. If the sellers have been told no, can't accept the permit people who want them to are asking them to lose their job if caught.

 

[The Nothing]

"A valid ID card issued by a U.S. state* with photo, name, date of birth, & physical description"

I would think that this covers a CHL/CWP/et. al.:

Oregon CHL meets that criteria.

No, it does not. As I also pointed out earlier, Oregon CHLs are issued by the County. They're good throughout the state, but if you move, you contact the county, not the state. Renewal is through the county, not the state, etc... If the state ran CHLs, then they'd work, and they'd all look the same (which they don't Clackamas Co looks a lot different than MultCo).

That said, OLCC's terms would suggest that an out of state CHL, like Utah, should work as it subscribes to everything required: State Issued, name, DOB, and physical description.

 

[The Heretic]

No, it does not. As I also pointed out earlier, Oregon CHLs are issued by the County. They're good throughout the state, but if you move, you contact the county, not the state. Renewal is through the county, not the state, etc... If the state ran CHLs, then they'd work, and they'd all look the same (which they don't Clackamas Co looks a lot different than MultCo).

That said, OLCC's terms would suggest that an out of state CHL, like Utah, should work as it subscribes to everything required: State Issued, name, DOB, and physical description.

Look at the top of either the OR or WA state CHL - what does it say?

State of Oregon
Washington State

Is a grocery store clerk going to know it is actually issued by the county sherriff?

 

[The Nothing]

Is a grocery store clerk going to know it is actually issued by the county sherriff?

Most won't recognize it, unless they have one. If they accept it, then they have committed a Catagory III Violation (10 day loss of license/$1650 fine for first offence), unless you can compel them to take a written statement of age, in which case your CHL can be used (ORS 471.130)

 

[EPS]

I was Oregon year's ago and the store I went to would not accept a U.S.passport for ID to buy alcohol