Transfers with no FFL

[The Heretic]

Th timing sucks too

 

[Flymph]

Hey a sting operation kinda sounds like fun!

I'm notorious for trying to set up sting operations. I also like to bait and entrap people into things, i'm horrible. Be glad i'm not a cop. LoL

 

[DuneHopper]

I'm notorious for trying to set up sting operations. I also like to bait and entrap people into things, i'm horrible. Be glad i'm not a cop. LoL

IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE COMFORTING ?

 

[Flymph]

Well, it helps me judge character if one falls for it.

 

[DuneHopper]

Well, it helps me judge character if one falls for it.

I'll take what is self esteem issues for 400 Alex...

 

[ma96782]

Speaking of "entrapment."

If the undercover suggests to a law abiding person to break the law and the person goes with that suggestion. THAT. Is a case of classic entrapment.

Course you will probably have to hire a lawyer to get yourself out of that mess. So anyway, if you don't want the hassle.....you know what to say, Rrrrrright.

Aloha, Mark

 

[11Charlie]

Speaking of "entrapment."

If the undercover suggests to a law abiding person to break the law and the person goes with that suggestion. THAT. Is a case of classic entrapment.

Course you will probably have to hire a lawyer to get yourself out of that mess. So anyway, if you don't want the hassle.....you know what to say, Rrrrrright.

Aloha, Mark

Yep "I'd like an attorney!"

Just kidding but it was funny!

 

[The Heretic]

Speaking of "entrapment."

If the undercover suggests to a law abiding person to break the law and the person goes with that suggestion. THAT. Is a case of classic entrapment.

Only if you were not prone to commit the crime in the first place.

Asking that you commit a crime is not entrapment. Encouraging you to commit the crime might be, depending on what the "encouragement" is.

 

[Flymph]

I'll take what is self esteem issues for 400 Alex...

Pretty harsh for the guy who always wants to group hug!

 

[DuneHopper]

Pretty harsh for the guy who always wants to group hug!

No group hugs, I know how you get when everyone else is hugged and not you.

 

[DuneHopper]

Ok not that its been pulled off topic my bad,

 

[DuneHopper]

The Topic is Transfers With No FFL.
Bottom line if you own guns you know thats the law its been for three-four years.
You can not legally transfer a gun from one person to another without going thru a FFL and
getting a BGC.

 

[Flymph]

No group hugs, I know how you get when everyone else is hugged and not you.

Ok not that its been pulled off topic my bad,

Yeah, apparently nowadays you get an all to common crossover thread!

I'm chalking it up to light hearted teasing.

Still, if a guy wants you to do something shady, you can be assured that there is a higher risk involved.

 

[ma96782]

My Sergeant tells us the story of entrapment. Mind you that this is from Hawaii. They are really LIBERAL out there.

So, the PD is dealing with a high number of reported cases of "theft from person" around the Ft. Street Mall area. For those who aren't familiar: It's in downtown Honolulu, HI. Plenty of crime, drugs, and homeless people. Being that it's downtown, there are also lots of business too.

So, undercover PD officers are sent in looking for arrests to turn this situation around. They dress like the homeless and pretend to be sleeping off a drunken night. Sticking out of the front top pocket of the undercover officer's shirt is a dollar bill.

A guy comes along and "helps" the undercover officer to his feet and of course helps himself to the dollar bill. The guy gets BUSTED.

Go to court......Judge says NOT GUILTY - Entrapment.

Mind you that, generally a person's prior record can't be used against him in court. Unless, you're saying that it's part of an MO for him. And, even that is hard. Example: a repeat BURGLARY suspect who always enters through the back door and leaves a pile of poop. So anyway, here it is......the Judge says that the undercover officer "encouraged" the guy to steal.

Encouraged....suggested? Whatever.

Oh well......sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Yes, there is probably more to it. But, this case still ends with NOT GUILTY.

Aloha, Mark

 

[The Heretic]

A guy comes along and "helps" the undercover officer to his feet and of course helps himself to the dollar bill. The guy gets BUSTED.

Go to court......Judge says NOT GUILTY - Entrapment.

Judge is wrong.

There is a difference between presenting opportunity and entrapment.

Putting an unlocked car on the street is presenting an opportunity.

Telling a car thief to go steal that car is entrapment.

 

[ma96782]

Telling a car thief to go steal that car is entrapment.

And so then.....
"Telling a seller NOT to go through with the proper BGC procedure.........when YOU (undercover cop - buyer) know what you're suppose to do, for a legal transfer."

To me: Telling = suggesting

Anyway, as I said........

"Course you will probably have to hire a lawyer to get yourself out of that mess. So anyway, if you don't want the hassle.....you know what to say, Rrrrrright."

and.....

The Judge is the Judge in that case. Win some and lose some.

Aloha, Mark

 

[awshoot]

... If the undercover suggests to a law abiding person to break the law and the person goes with that suggestion. THAT. Is a case of classic entrapment. ...

Maybe, but I wouldn't want to bet my freedom on that test. Scroll down to the post that starts "possibly" (by an attorney BTW): is it legal to own armor piercing incendiary ammo in Washington…

Does a police officer dressed as a hooker standing on a street corner suggest breaking the law? I'd say "yes" -- though I suppose you could argue that anyone who hit her up for services is not a law abiding person, but then, so too would that be true in _any_ sting -- by virtue of agreeing to an illegal act, one is no longer a law abiding person.

 

[ma96782]

Does a police officer dressed as a hooker standing on a street corner suggest breaking the law? I'd say "yes" -- though I suppose you could argue that anyone who hit her up for services is not a law abiding person, but then, so too would that be true in _any_ sting -- by virtue of agreeing to an illegal act, one is no longer a law abiding person.

"Undercover hookers" typically will just stand around or they'll be walking along. Just because a female wants to dress sexy, it doesn't mean that she is a hooker.* The undercover officer gets approached by the "John." The conversation starts. As a John, if you say the wrong words ("proposition: sex for money")......you get busted. The undercover hooker is suppose to be trained not to entrap a John. Sometimes a court will require real words.....just to be clear. Again, it's the Judge's Court Room.

A lot of Johns don't want to make an issue of of getting caught. Most Johns don't want to be in the position where they have to explain to their wife how they spent last Saturday night. Even if they were, "entrapped."

BTW.....there were times when the PD had undercover male police officers dressed as females. Hey, if that turns you on.....there you go. Equal opportunity, sort of.

Aloha, Mark

*I can remember a friend of mine (female, she likes to dress sexy) who complained that she was "interviewed" on the street by a uniformed cop. She said that the cop was rude. She got the vibe that she was being treated like a hooker.

 

[partsed]

Off topic, but isn't green tip 5.56 light armor piercing?? And you can buy that at Bi-Mart, Cabela's or online....

 

[pharmseller]

*I can remember a friend of mine (female, she likes to dress sexy) who complained that she was "interviewed" on the street by a uniformed cop. She said that the cop was rude. She got the vibe that she was being treated like a hooker.

This happens to me ALL THE TIME.

Well, not all the time, just on weekends. How I dress on my own time is no ones business.




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