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[Caveman Jim]

Is there seriously any hope for America except a full blown revolution?
I don't believe there is, look at the candidates that are still on the podiums....

 

[Wayne]

This election is very important because the next Prez will be appointing 2,3 maybe even 4 Supreme court justices. I know who a dem prez will appoint. not good, so any Rep could not be any worse and hopefully better. Remember, a justice is a lifetime appointment.

 

[Joe Link]

If you think government by conservatives is any better, move to Wyoming. I can tell you, from experience, it ain't.

People think there is a fundamental difference between "left" and "right". No. That's just divide and conquer tactics. The real divide is between those in government, and those outside it. Those with power, and those without. The parasites, and the host organism.

This is a point lost on many. I base nearly all of my opinions on empirical data (when possible). I have yet to see a state under solid, multi-generational conservative control operated in a manner consistent with small government, conservative principles. There are no excuses when you control all three branches.

There is no guarantee that a revolution will make things better. I'd wager they'll be worse. After all just look to the Middle East for what happens when governments collapse. In a power vacuum sociopaths always gravitate to positions of power.

We need a revolution of thought & morality beyond religion & government as the moral compass or arbiter of what is right & who needs protecting. Voting still has some effect, however minuscule. The real issue the ignorance of the public & brainwashing of mass media & public schooling.

I cringe every time I hear someone mention a revolution for this very reason. Are things bad now? Sure, but I have no doubt things would be much, much worse. Even if we got an ideal government elected, people forget that power corrupts. I didn't used to be in favor of term limits...

This election is very important because the next Prez will be appointing 2,3 maybe even 4 Supreme court justices. I know who a dem prez will appoint. not good, so any Rep could not be any worse and hopefully better. Remember, a justice is a lifetime appointment.

Our 2A rights could very well hinge on this right here.

 

[Hybrid Slave]

Recent years have made me change my thinking to this. I believe the president is already picked and we still vote to see how stupid the American public is.This way they can judge how many of their programs they can impliment before we get too riled up.
"WE" were stupid enough to vote in that ...... so they decided they could bend us over pretty good. Then we did it again,double stupid
And if we vote in Hilardry then they know they can pretty much do whatever they want and we (the general public) won't get all butt hurt
Now they understand the rest of us may get really disturbed but after they push for more gun control and that woman villainizes us white males even more we will be on defense all the time
YMMV

So, what your saying is that the whole election "illusion" is a sort of stupidity poll of the public at large. Yep, that sounds about right. I like your perspective.

As far as "us white males" are concerned, in regard to gun rights, perhaps it wouldn't be such a color issue at all if ALL GUN OWNERS (regardless of color) were to rise above such trivial issues as skin color and (supposed) racial distinctions. We usually supply our own rope with which we hang ourselves.

 

[Hybrid Slave]

But in reality the D's will not defect in mass from their party, it seems the R's are the ones who will jump ship for a better candidate.... just sayin....

Many younger folks (28 to 35 or so) with whom I've spoken with at community colleges (particularly vets, like myself), who were raised in conservative Republican households tell me that they would turn to the Democratic if it would only yield on one single issue, that being THE GUN ISSUE.

I stand with neither party, myself, but I rather agree with these people. I hate to say it, but if the gun issue were simply dropped by the Democrats, I would likely turn to that ticket. With the 2A no longer under constant threat, I wouldn't feel very concerned at all about any of the other politically correct BS that they try to impose.

I mean, I really don't care if some racist pig wants to fly his flags of ignorance in public, or if some stinky hippie wants to burn a flag and piss off the war mongers (I've done more than my time in service, so too bad if ya don't agree; I've earned that right!!). Let 'em do it. That's why I swore the oath...FOR EVERYONE, whether I agree with their ignorant, or intelligent, or misinformed ideology or not.

And then the only remaining thing to do would be to get all the high and mighty Republican "fundamentalists" off their self righteous religious high horses and stop trying to use the Bible in an attempt to impose a darn THEOCRACY in this country.

I don't give a darn who a grown adult sleeps with or gets freaky with, or what they do with their bodies, or what they smoke, snort, or slam as long as it doesn't involve kids. If the republican party could respect those things a bit more, then I would likely find myself leaning back their way. But oh, yeah, neither party seems to be able to get away with whoring themselves out to the corporate interests. Guess we're all just damned either way.

Term limits...anyone?

 

[erudne]

all government hinges on the threat of death
of the citizenry This is why the Govt will never lay down their arms

 

[Caveman Jim]

Many younger folks (28 to 35 or so) with whom I've spoken with at community colleges (particularly vets, like myself), who were raised in conservative Republican households tell me that they would turn to the Democratic if it would only yield on one single issue, that being THE GUN ISSUE.

I stand with neither party, myself, but I rather agree with these people. I hate to say it, but if the gun issue were simply dropped by the Democrats, I would likely turn to that ticket. With the 2A no longer under constant threat, I wouldn't feel very concerned at all about any of the other politically correct BS that they try to impose.

I mean, I really don't care if some racist pig wants to fly his flags of ignorance in public, or if some stinky hippie wants to burn a flag and piss off the war mongers (I've done more than my time in service, so too bad if ya don't agree; I've earned that right!!). Let 'em do it. That's why I swore the oath...FOR EVERYONE, whether I agree with their ignorant, or intelligent, or misinformed ideology or not.

And then the only remaining thing to do would be to get all the high and mighty Republican "fundamentalists" off their self righteous religious high horses and stop trying to use the Bible in an attempt to impose a darn THEOCRACY in this country.

I don't give a darn who a grown adult sleeps with or gets freaky with, or what they do with their bodies, or what they smoke, snort, or slam as long as it doesn't involve kids. If the republican party could respect those things a bit more, then I would likely find myself leaning back their way. But oh, yeah, neither party seems to be able to get away with whoring themselves out to the corporate interests. Guess we're all just damned either way.

Term limits...anyone?

I in no means implied the R's would stoop as low as to vote D, rather meant the R's would jump to the Independent ticket (which I may too depending who gets the nomination).
Just for the record I would never vote D, it's my right as Ive earned it and have served my country too.

 

[PaulB47]

There is no guarantee that a revolution will make things better... In a power vacuum sociopaths always gravitate to positions of power.

I don't know, the American Revolution didn't turn out too bad...

We need a revolution of thought & morality beyond religion & government as the moral compass or arbiter of what is right & who needs protecting. Voting still has some effect, however minuscule. The real issue the ignorance of the public & brainwashing of mass media & public schooling.

Can't argue with that. But let's not forget, people stay in a rut until something big kicks them out of it. For example, I'd wager the majority here still send their kids to the government indoctrination centers - even when it is actually easier to homeschool.

Anyway, there is no avoiding a revolution. We have no control over that; we are just along for the ride. The economy is going to die from debt overload, and that is that.

The president is already picked

Did you catch this old classic from the Onion?
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[Caveman Jim]

Did you catch this old classic from the Onion?
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I have never trusted the GOV for upholding honest to God voting standards. Back in the day my parents also didn't trust the GOV and it is worse. Now we have to mail in our ballots to the GOV to count (manipulate) behind closed doors!!!!! Wonder why it only took Christine Gregoire 3 tries to beat Dino Rossie? There's your sign!!!!
It is rigged!!!

 

[PaulB47]

All they would need to do, to eliminate all ballot fraud, would be to drop the secret ballot and post every vote of every voter on the internet. Then you could see that they are not throwing away your vote. But they don't want to prevent voter fraud. They want it available as another tool for their ends.

http://strike-the-root.com/secret-ballot-tool-for-tyrants

 

[olddanshooter]

Like Hybrid Slave (Steve) said, term limits would help. Big money makes the political world go 'round, we all know it. Most of the politicians in DC are bought and paid for by various entities. And they don't care much about the common man if it means keeping their PAC donations coming to support their lifestyle.

I'd love to see term limits, however the 535 would never vote themselves out of office. They hide behind a broken system never designed to have 90 year old 10 term congressmen.

The two party system doesn't cater to folks like me who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal, so mostly I vote against incumbents.

I give leeway to folks who want to live their lives in different ways as long as they don't try to smack me in the head with it. Keep your personal preferences and religious books to yourself and we will all get along wonderfully.

Funny, in the beginning of my 20 year US Navy stint I was young and stupid and hard core in my beliefs. Afterward, after seeing so many things I would have never expected I gernerally keep my opinions to myself and give that same respect to others. I learned that nobody thinks exactly the same way you do.

So my support to the first and second amendment are absolute. When Hillary gets elected and attempts to abrogate the 2nd amendment with her 1st amendment rights I'll be glad I sold all my guns years and years ago! Just like everyone else around here.

 

[mjbskwim]

Many younger folks (28 to 35 or so) with whom I've spoken with at community colleges (particularly vets, like myself), who were raised in conservative Republican households tell me that they would turn to the Democratic if it would only yield on one single issue, that being THE GUN ISSUE.

I stand with neither party, myself, but I rather agree with these people. I hate to say it, but if the gun issue were simply dropped by the Democrats, I would likely turn to that ticket. With the 2A no longer under constant threat, I wouldn't feel very concerned at all about any of the other politically correct BS that they try to impose.

I mean, I really don't care if some racist pig wants to fly his flags of ignorance in public, or if some stinky hippie wants to burn a flag and piss off the war mongers (I've done more than my time in service, so too bad if ya don't agree; I've earned that right!!). Let 'em do it. That's why I swore the oath...FOR EVERYONE, whether I agree with their ignorant, or intelligent, or misinformed ideology or not.

And then the only remaining thing to do would be to get all the high and mighty Republican "fundamentalists" off their self righteous religious high horses and stop trying to use the Bible in an attempt to impose a darn THEOCRACY in this country.

I don't give a darn who a grown adult sleeps with or gets freaky with, or what they do with their bodies, or what they smoke, snort, or slam as long as it doesn't involve kids. If the republican party could respect those things a bit more, then I would likely find myself leaning back their way. But oh, yeah, neither party seems to be able to get away with whoring themselves out to the corporate interests. Guess we're all just damned either way.

Term limits...anyone?

It's the D's that are the politically correct idiots,but i would have to agree with the "high horse' comment.
And yes.TPTB do think we are all idiots,(must have gone to wally world too many times?)
So yes,I do think it wouldn't be beyond reason to think that an election was just set up by some oligarchs to figure out the temperament of the general public.
WA DC is full of lawyers acting as politicians.I have never met a lawyer that though anyone was smarter than he/she was

 

[revjen45]

1) If voting actually made a difference it would be illegal. We get to vote for one tool of the Oligarchy or the other. It's either the Evil Party or the Stupid Party.
2) The only reason I vote is those who don't forfeit their right to complain, not because it makes any difference in the long run.
3) Heroes died to secure that right for me and I won't waste their sacrifice.
4) I never vote FOR anybody. I vote against the lying weasel I despise more than the other lying weasel. On the scale of social parasites politicians are right next to drug dealers and purveyors of kiddieporn.
5) When it finally comes down to busting caps I can do so in good conscience, having tried the approved course of action to no avail.

 

[Hybrid Slave]

I in no means implied the R's would stoop as low as to vote D, rather meant the R's would jump to the Independent ticket (which I may too depending who gets the nomination).
Just for the record I would never vote D, it's my right as Ive earned it and have served my country too.

I guess that I'm really trying to find the Constitutional and ideological balance of the two EXTREMES.Too often, I am called a "fence sitter by people from both extreme sides. But extremism is all too often mistaken for virtue.

I'll vote with whoever I feel represents my interests. My main interest being mine and everyone's Constitutional rights. As I see it, both of the two (extreme) usual suspects threaten those rights in some aspects. So it comes down to which ones I feel are the most vital to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

I'm sure that we all agree that an un-infringed armed citizenry is at the pinnacle of preserving those rights. But some constitutional issues are easier to argue than others. I feel that political correctness can be conquered much easier than religious fundamentalism and legislated moral dogma.

But, as I said before, they (the Dems) must first give up the gun issue. I'm willing to debate over free speech and people's thin socialist skins, but I find it pointless to reason with anyone who would base the legislation of a free society upon an outdated paper back novel that was written by misogynist goat herders who thought the Earth was flat and was orbited by the sun.

 

[Hybrid Slave]

It's the D's that are the politically correct idiots,

Yes, that is what I meant. Both sides chip away at freedom in one way or another, and they have the nerve to do it waving the red white and blue and keeping a straight face. Amazing.

 

[erudne]

48%of Ds identify as Socialist

 

[Hybrid Slave]

The two party system doesn't cater to folks like me who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal, so mostly I vote against incumbents.

I give leeway to folks who want to live their lives in different ways as long as they don't try to smack me in the head with it. Keep your personal preferences and religious books to yourself and we will all get along wonderfully.

Funny, in the beginning of my 20 year US Navy stint I was young and stupid and hard core in my beliefs. Afterward, after seeing so many things I would have never expected I gernerally keep my opinions to myself and give that same respect to others. I learned that nobody thinks exactly the same way you do.

Sounds like we've chewed some of the same ground. I'm a Navy man myself, once very idealistic and absolute in my thinking, but now jaded but much more broader minded. I like the term "fiscally conservative and socially liberal" (that's about the best way I've heard it described).

Are you ever referred to, by either of the two extremes, as a political fence sitter. I am, all the time. One dolt even described my views as being of one who "has no core values". But I see them more as of one seeking balance between two absolute extremes.

 

[Hybrid Slave]

48%of Ds identify as Socialist

I have found the practice of identifying too strongly with social, political, or ideological labels to be quite dividing to society, as well as limiting and narrowing to ones general individual perspective.

Amazing how effective these labels are at obscuring humanity's view of the numerous things which we all share in common.

 

[Mongo1]

What is really sad, people vote against hildabeast, but the whole state of Oregon goes into her count. It's time for the popular vote to be counted and the electoral college to be eliminated.

 

[mjbskwim]

What is really sad, people vote against hildabeast, but the whole state of Oregon goes into her count. It's time for the popular vote to be counted and the electoral college to be eliminated.