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This is good. It could have depleted the market.

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Hawaiian, Jun 14, 2013.

  1. Hawaiian

    Hawaiian Tigard Oregon Well-Known Member

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  2. Sun195

    Sun195 Pugetropolis, WA Well-Known Member

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    An expensive arms program gets killed-off? Hard to believe.
     
  3. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    Not surprised at all with the tactics of the Defense department & Congress...
     
  4. Frankenrifle

    Frankenrifle Clatskanie Active Member

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    That's only one side of a coin. The decision was very quietly political under cries of 'it ain't good enough'. Take a look at the rest of the items under the NDAA program and you'll get a clearer picture. Looks like some good stuff mixed with some pointless stuff.
     
  5. 206thsense

    206thsense Seattle, WA, USA Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I don't think was a surprise to anyone... the Army has killed several small arms programs before.
     
  6. bellarum

    bellarum beaverton Well-Known Member

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    I'd be interested in reading the report on which companies submitted the carbines tested, the types of failures each one suffered, and at what round count.
     
  7. Ironbar

    Ironbar Tigard, OR Well-Known Member

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    Meanwhile, my AK just keeps chuggin' along. Never jamming. Never stopping.
     
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  8. Mephistopheles

    Mephistopheles Lane County, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Blaming the constant jamming M16 of the Vietnam War on the conscript is pure crap. Stoner's design called for a chromed chamber. The 16's were not chromed as a cost saving measure. Never saw a chamber brush while I was there. Standard procedure was to bore a hole in the front stock of your 16 and insert a cleaning rod in it. Sure beat trying to put the rod together and then knocking the shell out of the chamber while getting shot at by AK's and SKS's that didn't jam.
     
  9. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    I've been trying to find that out myself, at least what others were tested.
     
  10. Scott

    Scott Battle Ground Well-Known Member

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    Ak's jam just the same.

    For the people who say they don't have not been out of this country to some crap hole. I had them jam on me.

    Any gun can and will jam.

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  11. Mephistopheles

    Mephistopheles Lane County, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Been out of the country, been in several crap holes, Pulled Ak's out of mud. Always fired.
     
  12. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    We all know that AK's weren't being tested, probably some euro bullpup??
     
  13. Phillyfan

    Phillyfan Oregon City, Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    AK's always go bang, but you may or may not hit the intended target. That's always been the trade-off in my mind. Right or wrong, my impression has always been AR=accuracy and good reliability, AK=Great reliability and ok accuracy.

    Guess it just depends on your needs. Personally, I love them both for what they are.
     
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  14. mancat

    mancat Kitsap County Well-Known Member

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    There are some very accurate AKs out there. Biggest factor is the ammo. Rarely does anyone shoot quality ammo out of an AK. Most often an AK is judged while feeding it steel-cased 40 year-old combloc ammo, or inconsistently-loaded cheap Russian stuff, whereas most AR shooters are at least shooting US-made brass ammo.

    Still... I have seen AKs jam. They are machines like any other. The difference I have seen, is that when an AK jams, it's usually because of a mechanical defect that can be corrected, and once it is, the rifle is nearly bulletproof. And frankly the modern M16/M4 is pretty damn close.

    Personally.. I think a gradual shift to piston-driven designs would solve almost all the AR's problems in the environments that they tend to fail in. The military could do it gradually as rifles need to be repaired or replaced. The piston and DI rifles are nearly identical, so no major retraining or logistical stuff is needed - just make sure the manuals and drills are updated, etc.

    You would think that would cost less, but I still bet they would find a way to waste a bubblegum ton of money doing it.
     
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  15. Scott

    Scott Battle Ground Well-Known Member

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    They just wasted a bunch of money to my beloveded Corp by signing that crap Colt 1911 deal millions for a little more than 4000 1911 rail guns.

    Talk about a waste

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  16. 2ndtimer

    2ndtimer SE Washington state Active Member

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    fixed it for you :laugh:
     
  17. Chunky Milk

    Chunky Milk Springtucky Member

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    the upper receiver that marries the AK reliability to the AR platform: Faxon Firearms ARAK-21

    key points: Long stroke gas piston system (just like an AK), Bolt rides on heat treated steel rails (bolt is very similar to an AK design), the barrels are designed to quick change between .300 AAC and 5.56, the upper is self contained meaning that it does not need a buffer tube, and is capable of firing with a folding stock. ambidextrous side charging handle. the list goes on.

    I have two of these receivers in stock at the store i work at, and can say from first hand experience that they are built like TANKS!!!