I disagree....I think that AR15 's aren't dangerous weapons.
We already discussed what size and type of mass shootings are of national interest and which ones are not. Are you playing dumb about what people get upset about and what they are willing to ignore?
agree. Were not properly addressing the motives like mental health and keeping violent offenders locked up.
There is no irony in my characterization of the general trends in a community that sees itself as a community and that I count myself a part of. I can point to a thousand articles and tens of thousands of threads that point to the efficacy of 5.56 weapons for defense. Congressmen are wearing AR15 pins.
Where did Andy do this?
I would challenge you to show that the majority of mass shootings were preventable through mental health actions or longer sentences.
He didn't. He said that my comparison of you doing it was the equivalent of me speaking for gun enthusiasts and their most popular opinions.
Again I disagree with you.
"When pro-gun people.."..that phrasing implies all pro-gun people...
Isnt it clear that anyone who would commit a mass shooting has mental health issues? Why cant we prohibit people who are adjudicated with violent mental health issues from owning guns? Why do we keep letting violent offenders out of jail?
So very true...
Coffee, at 1:30 in the afternoon? At least put some bourbon or something in it!So very true...
I will now ... go back to my cup of coffee , with my integrity intact....
Andy
Not a bad idea....I'll be right back....Coffee, at 1:30 in the afternoon? At least put some bourbon or something in it!
My statements were made as a general contrast to highlight an ironic situation, not an attempt to create a hard rule about ALL people in either category. Had I thought it was going to be necessary, I would have inserted words like "some, many, or most". But I assumed that the point I was making about the characteristics of guns wouldn't be dissected for other reasons.
No, it is clear AFTER someone kills a bunch of people that they are nuts. Show me how you do it in the other direction.
Im not certain of any way to do it the other direction. Im not certain its possible....
Then I don't understand. You said of preventing mass shootings:
Since you said that mass shootings are preventable, and then said addressing mental health is a way to do it, why are you now saying it might not be possible? That sounds like you are contradicting yourself.
This makes a lot of sense to me. I don't remember the exact figures, but when the Clinton "assault weapon" ban ended in 2004, there were something like 25 companies making AR15-type weapons. By 2021, there were something like 500 plus firms making them. This was in answer to the explosion in demand for the guns after a 20 year famine and it fed on itself. More people wanted them, more companies stepped in to supply them. Next thing you know every third house on the block has one. But a lot of money was made at all levels. This being a big part of firearm commerce, it's a big limb for the anti-gun people to saw off the tree.
You leave likes?
But it's a big one.
This is what makes the AR such a focal point for the public and politicians. Many people are shot by gangs using pistols all the time; all those single events don't carry the same weight in the mind of the public as a mass shooting. And don't get the media coverage. Back when the 1968 GCA was passed, handguns were the focus. Which has shifted with the preponderance of AR's in private ownership.
I don't think many cared for the AR15 prior to Bush banning foreign military style weapons in 1989. Calling them jamomatics and referencing Vietnam. It wasn't until choices started drying up that the AR started getting taken seriously by lots of people. And then the 94 crime bill encouraged folks to innovate the design. And then the government dumped tons of them onto the police, and that made them look like a good idea, too. Then two Gulf Wars.
