The trouble with AR building

[ChiefStealth]

Went shooting again, yesterday. Experienced a serious problem with the Velocity trigger. It shot just fine on Saturday. Yesterday, major problem. Right now, I must take back my recommendation on the Velocity trigger. I'll update y'all as I get this sorted out.

 

[jluck]

Went shooting again, yesterday. Experienced a serious problem with the Velocity trigger. It shot just fine on Saturday. Yesterday, major problem. Right now, I must take back my recommendation on the Velocity trigger. I'll update y'all as I get this sorted out.

please do. My curiosity is piqued.

 

[fxdc]

Slow down on the shots man.

Wow
Yeah I blew that one.

LMAO! !

 

[Brutus57]

I really like my ALG ACT. Since mine is not for varminting I didn't want a really light trigger. Great price as well.

Brutus Out

 

[bakersman345]

Rock river national match trigger, $100, lpk without fcg (trigger and stufc) like $30 on ebay.-- maybe a opps kit from anderson would work it's like $10

 

[ChiefStealth]

A couple weeks back, I started to report a problem I am having with the Velocity 3lb trigger in my Ar15 rifle. After two weeks of exchanging emails with the vendor, and troubleshooting the problem, I can now finish the report. The trigger is doubling on me. That is, two rounds fired with one break of the trigger.

It is doubling because of my specific method of pulling the trigger. That is.. pulling very slowly. Slowly enough that I am surprised by the trigger break. Here's what is happening. At the point where the trigger breaks, I'm only pulling at 3lbs. The rifle discharges, and the recoil is greater than 3lbs. That causes the rifle to go backwards with more force than I am applying to the trigger. This, in effect, causes my trigger finger, and the trigger, to go forward, slightly. Which means the trigger never goes far enough to the rear for the disconnector to engage. Then, the bolt goes forward with enough force, that it, in effect, causes my finger, and the trigger, to go backward. Second shot. This all happens faster than I can react. I can't willfully pull back on the trigger quickly enough after the first shot goes off. And, I can't let off the trigger quickly enough before the second shot happens.

I have figured out a couple of ways to make it work, for me. First, I can intentionally pull the trigger with more force than is needed. This ensures that the disconnector will engage after the trigger breaks. It is also jerking the trigger, which kinda defeats the purpose of having a good trigger. Second, I can load singly. This is what I've chosen to do. I only use the Velocity trigger for one-shot-at-a-time precision shooting. Loading singly is not a problem. When I want to shoot more quickly, I just put the standard trigger back in. Easy.

 

[jluck]

You need to work on following through.

 

[jbett98]

Could be a weak or missing disconnector spring.

 

[fxdc]

Dang
You have a timer? Interested in what the splits are. LOL

 

[coop44]

drop in triggers are a con job, with most drop in parts. the sellers want you to believe that f you throw enough money at an ar you can make it perfect. You too can be an "operator" just like in HALO!!! as hard as it is to believe an ar built up on generic parts for 500 bucks is probably more accurate than the shooter is. it aint the gun bucko it's you.

the AR parts market it a marketing executives wet dream

 

[fxdc]

This is why I use Geissele SSA-E's in our AR'S.

 

[dwaineshort]

A couple weeks back, I started to report a problem I am having with the Velocity 3lb trigger in my Ar15 rifle. After two weeks of exchanging emails with the vendor, and troubleshooting the problem, I can now finish the report. The trigger is doubling on me. That is, two rounds fired with one break of the trigger.

It is doubling because of my specific method of pulling the trigger. That is.. pulling very slowly. Slowly enough that I am surprised by the trigger break. Here's what is happening. At the point where the trigger breaks, I'm only pulling at 3lbs. The rifle discharges, and the recoil is greater than 3lbs. That causes the rifle to go backwards with more force than I am applying to the trigger. This, in effect, causes my trigger finger, and the trigger, to go forward, slightly. Which means the trigger never goes far enough to the rear for the disconnector to engage. Then, the bolt goes forward with enough force, that it, in effect, causes my finger, and the trigger, to go backward. Second shot. This all happens faster than I can react. I can't willfully pull back on the trigger quickly enough after the first shot goes off. And, I can't let off the trigger quickly enough before the second shot happens.

I have figured out a couple of ways to make it work, for me. First, I can intentionally pull the trigger with more force than is needed. This ensures that the disconnector will engage after the trigger breaks. It is also jerking the trigger, which kinda defeats the purpose of having a good trigger. Second, I can load singly. This is what I've chosen to do. I only use the Velocity trigger for one-shot-at-a-time precision shooting. Loading singly is not a problem. When I want to shoot more quickly, I just put the standard trigger back in. Easy.

my $260 geissele super 3 g does the same thing if the rifle not shouldered properly. It will bump fire.

 

[Deebow]

There are so many triggers that if you don't like the first one, just get another one and sell the previous one on the forum.

 

[IheartSig]

Not quite $100, but I just installed the Velocity trigger. 3lb. $135 dollars. No take-up slop, at all. No creep, at all. No movement of any kind between first touch and break. I'm off to the range, right now, to shoot it for the first time. More later.

(edit) During shooting, the trigger works just like during dry-fire. No slop. Light pull. No creep. No grit. Surprised me every time. That's a good thing. I can't anticipate the break, and jerk the shot. No light strikes in the 50 rounds I shot today. Just.. wonderful!

I can't second this enough. I bought one on sale, and loved it so much I bought a second at regular price. Velocity triggers are damn nice triggers for the price point. I prefer it to the Timney I own.

 

[fxdc]

my $260 geissele super 3 g does the same thing if the rifle not shouldered properly. It will bump fire.

So will the SSA-E, the S3g is ment to be use for as stated 3 gun matches. It's a great trigger!

Don't get me wrong, have 1 on my race rifle. For use on closed course competition, not legal for street use..... LOL

 

[edslhead]

Last night I pulled the stock trigger out of one of my ar's. It was pulling 7+ lbs and was scratchy . 20 minutes of clean up, polishing and a bit of spring tweaking , now it pulls right at 5#. Still a tad scratchy but I think that will wear in. Its not anywhere near my 3# Timmney Skeleton but its still a big improvement and didn't cost a thing.

 

[fxdc]

I wish geissele would make one for my MP core . For now I will live with a 2# APEX.

 

[Ironbar]

Well lads, Rick and I solved the trigger reset issue! It WAS the burr on the disconnector hook. More to follow.......

 

[rds801]

When I first got into AR's I would wonder why someone would spend so much money on a trigger. Then I decided to buy a Geissele SSA trigger when I saw one on sale. It was money well spent. Next time I put together an AR, it will get an SSA trigger. If I can't afford it right away, I will put a little money away from each paycheck until I can get it.

 

[mjbskwim]

drop in triggers are a con job, with most drop in parts. the sellers want you to believe that f you throw enough money at an ar you can make it perfect. You too can be an "operator" just like in HALO!!! as hard as it is to believe an ar built up on generic parts for 500 bucks is probably more accurate than the shooter is. it aint the gun bucko it's you.

the AR parts market it a marketing executives wet dream

BULL SHYTE
When my buddy is 10 feet away and I can hear the trigger scratching as he pulls it,it's the trigger.
Drop in triggers are the bomb