The Fantasies We Craft Apparently Get Around

[nammac]

The best advice is to seize the opportunity to educate and train. Forget about what he thinks he wants, invest the time to get him familiar with different types of firearms.

Take him to the range, start with a .22... When he's comfortable and more proficient with it, move him to lightly loaded .38, continue that progression until you find his limit and where he does best.

Then help him shop for the ideal handgun for him. Help him train with it and become proficient... Once hooked, he's not going anywhere... Eventually he'll be ready to go shotgun and rifle...

This sounds like a golden opportunity to win one or two more believers...

 

[Vanillagerrilla]

Geeze, really? I wished that admonition applied to cars too!

I would venture a guess that when car shopping , folks spend days researching and test driving and comparing before purchasing.

 

[Brutus57]

'Splain it to him like this....show him a youtube video of a shooting gallery, old style...see that's what you need, a starter weapon...say a .22 LR single action pistol, bolt rifle or Ruger Mk..... or a 9mm Glockomatic after he practices awhile.

Then show him Evel Knievel's longest jump video.....and then a photo of a tacticool AR and say here's the firearm equivalent of the Knievel jump......then say, yeah, you aren't ready for that. Mic drop.

Brutus Out

 

[erudne]

'Splain it to him like this....show him a youtube video of a shooting gallery, old style...see that's what you need, a starter weapon...say a .22 LR single action pistol, bolt rifle or Ruger Mk..... or a 9mm Glockomatic after he practices awhile.

Then show him Evel Knievel's longest jump video.....and then a photo of a tacticool AR and say here's the firearm equivalent of the Knievel jump......then say, yeah, you aren't ready for that. Mic drop.

Brutus Out

FIREARM! (Weapon is a legal term) in civy life!

 

[Brutus57]

FIREARM! (Weapon is a legal term) in civy life!

Sorry, just got back from a 2000 mile road trip.

Brutus Out

 

[Flopsweat]

I take them out and let them shoot whatever they want. I answer any questions they have. I offer advice if they ask for it. If someone still wants an AR at that point, they should get an AR. I like mine, they'll probably like theirs. And they'll have a gun they like, so they may shoot it more. Which makes them more likely to bring someone else into the fold. At which point, if asked, I take them out and let them shoot whatever they want...

I've learned, despite my best efforts, that silence and patience can be remarkably persuasive when applied properly.

 

[clearconscience]

Tell them to google gunshot wounds. If he's iffy on guns that will scare him away.
The disgusting brutality of what a firearm will do can turn a lot of people away.
If they see it and can respect it, and except that responsibility, then introduce them.

If they like it and think it's cool. Run, run fast, and avoid them at all costs.

 

[erudne]

Regardless of their protestations they will be forced to choose a side, if they are left leaning now they'll be far left in the future. As for the KKK/Neo-NAZIs they are both creatures of the Left as well. The so-called Right is actually Middle America/Christians who have been propagandized into thinking of itself as the Bad Guy for over 60 years.
The 10 Commandments is like Holy Water to the Socialist Left and they are far too willing to sacrifice a few 10,000s to destroy it.
As fathers and mothers we need to acknowledge that evil exists in the world and that evil seeks-out the weakest in society and that it is the job of parents to protect their progeny, preserve society, preserve humanity.

 

[Doc In UPlace]

Not sure whether a pistol is prerequisite to self-loading rifle ownership or not. Each person and circumstance is different, without meeting this guy and seeing his home environment and neighborhood, how could we know?

I know that nobody who has shot my 6920 with its Aimpoint sight, Magpul stock, JP silent recoil spring and Gisselle SSA trigger has said anything but, "man, that was easy". Lol, nor was it cheap!

It's a great little rifle. The likelihood we'll ever need it to fend off hordes of marauding rioters is pretty much zero, and getting to it in time to use in event of a home invasion is also doubtful. Being prepared is a good thing anyhow.

The gun on your person is probably going to be the one you have to use in a robbery -so in that way yes, a pistol will probably be more useful. BUT you can sure learn good shooting skills with a rifle.

I had a little Remington Nylon 66 as a kid for many years before owning my first handgun. It didn't seem to hurt to learn on a rifle first.

 

[transittech]

I have a bit of a problem with arguing over whether or not somebody "needs" an AR. As long as they can own and use it safely, I could care less if they "need" it. Its none of my damn business if somebody "needs" it. Thats a slippery slope argument for most topics, not just guns. Just my opinion...

Otherwise, solid advise. An AR might not be the best option for hiding away from a significant other.

Urge lots of training and practice for people new to the AR world.

 

[thorborg]

I would venture a guess that when car shopping , folks spend days researching and test driving and comparing before purchasing.

I was speaking of the rules of the road (AKA drivers manual) along with a little decorum.

 

[Stomper]

NOW HEAR THIS!!!!


This is addressed to nobody in particular, because the misused term is so prolific these days, BUT....


Although we get your meaning, saying that you "could care less" implies you actually care. If you UTTERLY don't care say you "COULDN'T care less".

You'll impress your friends, you'll be popular at parties, everyone will offer to buy your drinks, your wiener will grow 3" extra inches, you'll never need Viagra, your hair will never recede or grow thin, and the anti-2A dolts who lurk on these forums won't think you're a stereotypical "gun totin' dim-witted hillbilly" who's missing half your teeth (even IF that may actually be the case).




THAT IS ALL, CARRY ON!!

 

[Joe13]

Yesterday, one of my wife's co-workers asked me to direct him to a reputable source for an "assault rifle." Not an AR. Not an AK. Not a Mini-14 or something more uncommon—just an "assault rifle."

"What do you want it for?" I asked.

"To have around, you know, just in case." It also came out that he wasn't going to tell his raving liberal wife. (I'd like to be a fly on the wall for when that discovery inevitably occurs.)

Turns out he wants one because he wanted to be ready for the standard issue societal disorders and the like. Name an acronym for these scenarios of your choosing and he'd been pondering it.

I told him he didn't need a black rifle, "Not yet anyway. You need to start with a handgun you can better hide from your wife if that's really your plan."

"But what if Congress or the Legislature bans assault weapons?"

"You still don't need one. If you want one that's a different story."

"What do you use?" Like we were discussing condoms or something.

"I carry a Beretta PX4, and my main long gun is a either a Mossberg 590 or my 590A1 depending on where in the house I am."

Then I had to explain that though I had rifles, including a couple he would want right there if he could buy them off me, that they were safe queens. "I don't need them to defend myself, that's a fantasy directly from the net for us city folks unless you have livestock or acres of property to defend that I don't know about" I told him. "I have mine only because I am a veteran familiar with the M-16 and M-4 series rifles AND there are a lot of people out there who simply don't want me to have them, but you still don't need one, especially during panic buying season where you might get gouged."

I ended the convo by telling him the best reason to get an AR is not the net fantasies he'd picked up, but to make them harder to ban, but he should get a concealable duty caliber handgun first.

Am I wrong?

Dead wrong IMO.

For a noob:
Rifles are easier to learn to keep lead on target - pistols take time and patience to learn like an extension.

Shotguns - 5.56/.223 tumbles after drywall and penetrates less then a slug or '00' buck shot that would most likely be loaded into a new shotgun owners mag.

AR's are still dirt cheap from what I have seen - people may be panic buying but there is a surplus of AR parts out there.

$500 pistol vs $500 AR15 = rifle cartridges will always trump pistols.

Rifles are easier to keep 'muzzle safe' while you can easily sweep a friendly with a pistol.

99% of the time the rifle will hold more ammo - noobs don't change mags fast or well.

"NEED" is subjective to each person.

New shooters are almost universally initially trained with rifles because they have a much better chance of hitting what they are aiming at and to build their confidence level with firearms.

Your first pistol should NOT be your everyday carry - no new shooter would know what they wanted or where to start and will get something that isn't appropriate. Plus he hasn't even cleared it with his wife so I doubt he will be CC ready anytime soon.


Those were just my initial thoughts after reading the OP.

No offense meant.

 

[Stomper]

Meh.... don't talk facts, most folks "could care less".

 

[nammac]

Meh.... don't talk facts, most folks "could care less".

Couldn't care less

I'm dumping my hillbilly English.

 

[Joe13]

Couldn't care less

I'm dumping my hillbilly English.

I'm embracing mine lol

 

[Member 3687]

I am in agreement with Joe13 and I prefer an AR for home defense over a shotgun any day for its ease of use, low recoil, lighter weight and round count. I came up with my conclusion after doing a one day class with each over a weekend. Time to target was faster, target accusation was faster and a higher round count is an advantage.

An M4 with adjustable stock can be made shorter to make it easier to maneuver around the home and hallways. With a good thumb or grip controlled flashlight in my opinion it is the ultimate home defense firearm.

But we all have our reasons for choosing the defense guns we have and I will not tell somebody they are wrong. I still have a handgun with flashlight on my beds headboard for those now situations but if time permits the AR is beside the bed.

The key thing is training so whatever they choose push some sort of training without being rude.

 

[Boboclown]

Dead wrong IMO.

For a noob:
Rifles are easier to learn to keep lead on target - pistols take time and patience to learn like an extension.

Shotguns - 5.56/.223 tumbles after drywall and penetrates less then a slug or '00' buck shot that would most likely be loaded into a new shotgun owners mag.

AR's are still dirt cheap from what I have seen - people may be panic buying but there is a surplus of AR parts out there.

$500 pistol vs $500 AR15 = rifle cartridges will always trump pistols.

Rifles are easier to keep 'muzzle safe' while you can easily sweep a friendly with a pistol.

99% of the time the rifle will hold more ammo - noobs don't change mags fast or well.

"NEED" is subjective to each person.

New shooters are almost universally initially trained with rifles because they have a much better chance of hitting what they are aiming at and to build their confidence level with firearms.

Your first pistol should NOT be your everyday carry - no new shooter would know what they wanted or where to start and will get something that isn't appropriate. Plus he hasn't even cleared it with his wife so I doubt he will be CC ready anytime soon.


Those were just my initial thoughts after reading the OP.

No offense meant.

Agreed completely. So much easier to teach someone on an AR. You can just use a .22 LR upper for cheap ammo and then move on to a 5.56 upper, or .223, or w/e upper you want.

 

[Bon Sauvage]

"A man needs what he wants." Jesse Tate

 

[Doc In UPlace]

Perhaps a topic for another one of those "poll" threads, but maybe getting an AR before they are gone could qualify as needing to get one.

Kind of like acquiring one of those 1928 A1 Thompsons in 1967. Wouldn't that be swell? Anyway.

With the repeated attacks on the AR platform or "style" as the Feinstein Brigade likes to call them, ya get the feeling that those folks are just hell-bent on outlawing private possession of the AR's because they are the cause of every calamity since the dawn of time, apparently.

Just a thought, I think we may be making a bigger deal out of the meaning of need than it's worth. Something about which caring less is not possible.