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The CAC Patrol (Citizens Against Crime). in Josephine County, OR.

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Bravo4, Oct 17, 2012.

  1. Bravo4

    Bravo4 Polk County, OR Member

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  2. hermannr

    hermannr Okanogan Highlands Well-Known Member

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    Read about it elsewhere. It's OK with me if the citizens understand they can only arrest/hold for the sheriff a person committing a violent felony in their presence. Really just have to report misdemeaner crimes...of course, when I was in service there was always the alternate to article 15...it was called a blanket party. Quite effective in detering minor problems.
     
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  3. oknow

    oknow amboy wa. Well-Known Member

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    amen to that brother
     
  4. ORSECTRAIN

    ORSECTRAIN Sherwood, Oregon Member

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  5. hermannr

    hermannr Okanogan Highlands Well-Known Member

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    Very interesting: tis definately broader that here in WA. In WA they specify what class of crime a citizen may arrest another for (felony)...and that crime had to be in the arresting persons presence. Thanks.
     
  6. longcolt

    longcolt Zephyrhills, FL Active Member

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    Dangerous to play police officer. Case in point the Martin/Zimmerman case in Florida that is still yet to go to trial.

    Not a problem if you just observe and call the police, but stick your fingers in the problem and you may get burned big time. Not worth it to me.
     
  7. Sabertooth

    Sabertooth Josephine County Active Member

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    Call what police?? We have very few officers in Josephine County. Response time could be 3 days. Might get lucky and get a 3 hour response.
     
  8. Sabertooth

    Sabertooth Josephine County Active Member

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    And might I ad that the creep would be back on the street before the officer finished the paper work. Unless its murder charge.
     
  9. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    Even then...
     
  10. The Redpaw

    The Redpaw 45th Parallel Member

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    From the above link, my comment follows.
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    ARREST
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    133.220 Who may make arrest. An arrest may be effected by:
    ***** (1) A peace officer under a warrant;
    ***** (2) A peace officer without a warrant;
    ***** (3) A parole and probation officer under a warrant as provided in ORS 133.239;
    ***** (4) A parole and probation officer without a warrant for violations of conditions of probation, parole or post-prison supervision;
    **(5) A private person; or
    ***** (6) A federal officer. [Amended by 1981 c.808 §2; 2005 c.668 §4]
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    ***** 133.225 Arrest by private person. (1) A private person may arrest another person for any crime committed in the presence of the private person if the private person has probable cause to believe the arrested person committed the crime. A private person making such an arrest shall, without unnecessary delay, take the arrested person before a magistrate or deliver the arrested person to a peace officer.
    ****(2) In order to make the arrest a private person may use physical force as is justifiable under ORS 161.255. [1973 c.836 §74]

    I read the article on another site days ago, and I'm all for it. There are many communities through mismanagement of funds or lack of taxable base that need the publics help. Im of the opinion that if the sheriff is only there to investigate after the crime, or to have a perp handed over, then we have a complete failure of our politicians to adequately serve the very community they are supposed to represent.

    I'm a betting man that says the money needed for the sheriffs department was put towards a better use like funding a anti logging meetup, an art show, or even committee members junkets to god knows where.

    Give me the choice between 5 new stoplights in town and some art work over funding deputies to atleast investigate crime, I dare you.
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  11. michaels

    michaels oregon Active Member

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    Right.

    That's sounds like a great idea.

    A couple of middleaged to elderly gentlemen (based on my scientific study of the pic)
    running around playing cops and robbers.

    I mean really, what could go wrong?

    I also like how the two men in the article voted against tax increases for local law enforcement.

    Not that I'm a huge fan of taxes, but, sometimes you just have to understand you get what you pay for.
     
  12. oknow

    oknow amboy wa. Well-Known Member

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    (get what you pay for) ????? don't you mean what they say it's for then they use the money for other "important stuff" unfortunately the government (city, county, & state) always goes for law enforcement and and fire departments first. (if taxes are not raised we will have to cut your safety)
    why not go after some of the b s services like the nea or giving benefits to illegals? because they know you will vote for raising the taxes for the cops but not for illegals to be on food stamps.
     
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    michaels oregon Active Member

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    Well regardless of the tax issue,

    A couple of elderly gentlemen playing cops and robbers.....

    Seems like an accident, vigilante shooting, law suit waiting to happen.
    Pick any one or combination of all 3.
     
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    RB87 Oregon Active Member

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    Sounds like the average day for the swat teams, making no knock warrant busts on the wrong houses, shooting dogs.
     
  15. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    Interestingly, it sounds like SHTF in this part of oregon. This thread almost belongs over in the preparedness and survival forum instead of here.

    I don't totally disagree with what they are trying to do, however at the same time there are other mechanisms for this. In particularly the reserve officer program many departments have, as well as scads of other volunteer opportunities that are out there. I've been a communications volunteer for many years before I moved up to wa. I havn't gotten around to seeing if there is the same thing going on here, but I'm not totally moved yet.

    Frankly, it sounds like the local sheriff is hostile to the idea of actually doing his job.