Oregon T-Mobile store anti-gun

[nwslopoke]

Obvious flip side is when T-Mobile calls the police for customers causing trouble or outright theft, do they as those police to keep their guns in the car? Of course not. I don't wish unemployment on many but that employee has zero ability to make a judgment call. I'm sure this isn't the first bad customer service problem they've had.

Not that it matters since I've never been in a TM store but I don't recall ever seeing a gun free zone sign in any cell store in Oregon, that I've been in.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

 

[Member 34319]

I've always concealed carry in their stores.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

I think that I wandered into one once while my wife was shopping. Of course concealed carrying. I could not stand the pink lighting.

 

[justcuz]

So an observation, so why is a LE [personally don't care on/off duty] considered a citizen with "PRIVILEGE(s)" in private establishments?

No firearms policy applies to persons of color, religion, sexual orientation, LEs, ad nauseam.

That the LEs posted their whine on a LE blog so they can shame the business enity to capitulate is even worse.

If a fat, person of color, gay, trans got told to leave the store with their open carry firearm would the "brotherhood of blue" be whining...ya, didn't think so!

BTW, I don't subscribe to they mentality they put their lives on the line and deserve the privilege..blah blah blah...ask a 20+ Combat service member about putting their lives on the line and they will just smile and walk away! 20 year military retiree does not get carte blanche to carry their firearm throughout this nation, why on earth should small town constabulary be afford that PRIVILEGE?

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

So an observation, so why is a LE [personally don't care on/off duty] considered a citizen with "PRIVILEGE(s)" in private establishments?

First an establishment open to the public has no rights to deny a private citizen theirs. No Gun signs do not have the force of law in Oregon or Washington. The store can ask you to cover it up, ask you to leave or create a fuss so you will get some sort of BS disturbing the peace charge, which is why we all just concealed carry instead.

The officer in this story was on duty and wearing his detective badge at the time. The store had no right to demand that he leave part of his equipment outside the store.

 

[No_Regerts]

So an observation, so why is a LE [personally don't care on/off duty] considered a citizen with "PRIVILEGE(s)" in private establishments?

No firearms policy applies to persons of color, religion, sexual orientation, LEs, ad nauseam.

That the LEs posted their whine on a LE blog so they can shame the business enity to capitulate is even worse.

If a fat, person of color, gay, trans got told to leave the store with their open carry firearm would the "brotherhood of blue" be whining...ya, didn't think so!

BTW, I don't subscribe to they mentality they put their lives on the line and deserve the privilege..blah blah blah...ask a 20+ Combat service member about putting their lives on the line and they will just smile and walk away! 20 year military retiree does not get carte blanche to carry their firearm throughout this nation, why on earth should small town constabulary be afford that PRIVILEGE?

Because the 20 year service member doesn't run into people he has arrested, hit, shot at, or said people's families and friends (aka gang affiliates) while they are at the Golden Corral with their family. Because of this, I always have a gun and won't go where I can't.

But here is where I agree with you. If you're doing personal business on your break, you should call yourself out of service on your break. When not doing something on official duty, you're just like everyone else. Do I like being given the courtesy to have my gun? Absolutely. For instance, Safeco Field is leased by the Seattle Mariners. MLB has a no-gun policy at the stadiums they lease. Since there is a lease, they dictate the rules even if the stadium is publically owned. However, I can call ahead and get through security with my gun as a courtesy. The NFL does not provide the same courtesy. I dont go to any NFL games.

 

[DuneHopper]

I can't read so signs don't help / I could care less what a sign says, prove I read it ?

 

[Kruel J]

I carry if I'm conscious. I don't give a damn about policies or signs.

 

[nwslopoke]

So an observation, so why is a LE [personally don't care on/off duty] considered a citizen with "PRIVILEGE(s)" in private establishments?

No firearms policy applies to persons of color, religion, sexual orientation, LEs, ad nauseam.

That the LEs posted their whine on a LE blog so they can shame the business enity to capitulate is even worse.

If a fat, person of color, gay, trans got told to leave the store with their open carry firearm would the "brotherhood of blue" be whining...ya, didn't think so!

BTW, I don't subscribe to they mentality they put their lives on the line and deserve the privilege..blah blah blah...ask a 20+ Combat service member about putting their lives on the line and they will just smile and walk away! 20 year military retiree does not get carte blanche to carry their firearm throughout this nation, why on earth should small town constabulary be afford that PRIVILEGE?

It's your opinion but factually incorrect. The state has granted itself certain powers even on private property that the owner does not posses. We may not agree with those privileges but they exist. Feel free to exercise the same acts as a uniformed police officer and we'll see who gets charged.

 

[ob1]

Man...he just got to sleep too !
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[Kruel J]

So an observation, so why is a LE [personally don't care on/off duty] considered a citizen with "PRIVILEGE(s)" in private establishments?

No firearms policy applies to persons of color, religion, sexual orientation, LEs, ad nauseam.

That the LEs posted their whine on a LE blog so they can shame the business enity to capitulate is even worse.

If a fat, person of color, gay, trans got told to leave the store with their open carry firearm would the "brotherhood of blue" be whining...ya, didn't think so!

BTW, I don't subscribe to they mentality they put their lives on the line and deserve the privilege..blah blah blah...ask a 20+ Combat service member about putting their lives on the line and they will just smile and walk away! 20 year military retiree does not get carte blanche to carry their firearm throughout this nation, why on earth should small town constabulary be afford that PRIVILEGE?

More "legal advice" with phrases like "ad nauseam" or "et al"?

Yeah. I'm a "Staff Member". Make sure to point that out.

 

[justcuz]

The individual in question was verbally advised, presumably by a person in charge of the area, of the policy of no firearms. Period. Apparently no signage involved.

Second, private property is exactly that, private!

At my residence I have the right to ask LEs, not in the performance of their duties, to leave! A business owner, has the same right as long as the civil rights provisions are not violated. Strange as it may seem, I do not believe LEs are a protected entity under those ivil rights provisions?

So nwslowpoke, the state has granted themselves 'special powers', instead of innuendo and the dance, pray tell w/cite, this membership what those special powers entail? [please keep in mind the rational behind the 4th] as I am always up to learn new and fasinating things our government is doing towards it's citizens!

 

[nammac]

So based upon this private property of a business v. An armed on-duty LEO, me thinks the police are scr@wed and would now be limited to Starbucks drivethru...

When did this society decide to be afraid
of an inanimate object? That's just not reasonable for a normal thinking person.

Good on the LEO and if my family used T-Mobile, I'd be switching carriers just in support of our local LEO. Businesses have, as another member put it, gotten too big for their britches...

And while I'm at it, how is this acceptable, yet if it were a bake shop refusing service it'd be all over the news!!!!

 

[WasrNwarpaint]

let them both refuse service to each other and let it work it self out

 

[Kruel J]

Let's not promote breaking the law on here. If what you say is true don't be a poor example for those that want to become concealed carrying individuals in the future. What you do with your own body, and gun is your business, but you're a mod here so let's try and keep it kosher with the laws in place for those that conceal carry. You may not respect the law, but many of us do and for good reason.

• Any federal facility — federal courthouses, social security offices, secured areas of airports, airplanes.
• Posted private property where the owner prohibits firearms possession, and others.
• Many private businesses have conditions regarding the possession of firearms on their premises. If you violate these conditions you could, under certain circumstances, be subject to arrest under Oregon trespass laws, in which case, if convicted, your concealed handgun license would be seized and/or revoked.
• National parks marked or posted with signs prohibiting all firearms.
• Indian reservations or property — you may not carry a firearm concealed without the written permission of the tribal judge; this may also apply to certain casinos on tribal lands.
• Courts — in a courtroom, jury room, judge's chambers, or adjacent areas that the presiding judge determines should be free of firearms to ensure the safety of litigants, court personnel, witnesses, and others.

Thanks for the advice.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

The individual in question was verbally advised, presumably by a person in charge of the area, of the policy of no firearms. Period. Apparently no signage involved.

Second, private property is exactly that, private!

At my residence I have the right to ask LEs, not in the performance of their duties, to leave! A business owner, has the same right as long as the civil rights provisions are not violated. Strange as it may seem, I do not believe LEs are a protected entity under those ivil rights provisions?

So nwslowpoke, the state has granted themselves 'special powers', instead of innuendo and the dance, pray tell w/cite, this membership what those special powers entail? [please keep in mind the rational behind the 4th] as I am always up to learn new and fasinating things our government is doing towards it's citizens!

A private residence is different than a business open to the public.

 

[Eveskcige28]

I think this store deserves a NWFA get together! Open carry mandatory. What a coward for thinking a LEO would disarm himself for somebody's feelings...

 

[RVTECH]

so why is a LE [personally don't care on/off duty] considered a citizen with "PRIVILEGE(s)" in private establishments?

I don't think 'privilege' is the proper word to describe why an LEO is allowed to carry in a private establishment but it may now be the description that is applied to it.
While the reality is legally an LEO MAY have to disarm if asked in a private establishment it has always been (historically) an accepted consequence of an on-duty LEO to carry no matter where he is. This is partly due to a time of greater respect for LEOs as well as considerably less fear of guns overall.
Personally however I don't believe it's a fear of guns so much as what seems to be a continuing effort by the LEFT to usurp any and all laws and enforcement by any means necessary and some coffee shop lackey telling an LEO to disarm is just part of the bigger picture.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

UPDATE

T-Mobile also reached out to Blue Lives Matter and said the incident that occurred did not reflect the company's policies, and "we promptly investigated last night, that individual is no longer associated with the T-Mobile brand."

UPDATE: T-Mobile Takes Action Against Employee Who Demanded Officer Disarm - Blue Lives Matter