Sold some stuff and bought these. M17-3, M19-5 and a NIB 1911 pro series. Sometimes a gun on armslist must be overlooked because the price is low and appears to be a scam. I asked the seller why the 1911 was so cheap and still got it for $650. It's not been fired except at the factory. He had the gun originally for $750 and it didn't sell for a month. I'm pretty happy about that. I paid fair prices for the other two fine revolvers.