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I put up a sign like Bert.. it chases away most of them. I also answer from an upstairs window and if it's THEM I tell them where to go after asking them if they can read English
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OK here it is.
Two years ago mild summer day maybe 11am in the morning about two blocks from me a man who was selling magazines in the neighborhood knocked on a mans door. Cut to the chase he was not selling magazines he had magazines and a gun and had seem solicitors going door to door. This was his MO, find out where people are soliciting and get there trust blend in. Now you slammed the door.
This guy did not and whether you carry or not if a guy points it at your face they gain automatic control over and older man.
They guy robbed him of his wallet and watch and left.
If you knock on my door and I do not know you I answer with a gun in my hand end of story, my house my rules. You don't belong here.
Are you off base, not if you understand I bring a gun to my door if I do not know you so chances are the man would have been standing there with me holding my Sig at my side. I just casually asking what they want and then while my gun is in their site ask them did they see the no solicitation sign. Oddly Mormons and others have never come back in years.
You tell me why ????
Not suggesting anyone be threatening with their gun, mine is in my house at my side in view.
You knock on my door and ignore my signs, you see my weapon you make the choice you want me to see you as a threat or not ??
I get real protective of my house, my family and my Sh*t. Don't like it read the freaking sign and walk away !!!!
OK here it is.
Two years ago mild summer day maybe 11am in the morning about two blocks from me a man who was selling magazines in the neighborhood knocked on a mans door. Cut to the chase he was not selling magazines he had magazines and a gun and had seem solicitors going door to door. This was his MO, find out where people are soliciting and get there trust blend in. Now you slammed the door.
This guy did not and whether you carry or not if a guy points it at your face they gain automatic control over and older man.
They guy robbed him of his wallet and watch and left.
If you knock on my door and I do not know you I answer with a gun in my hand end of story, my house my rules. You don't belong here.
Are you off base, not if you understand I bring a gun to my door if I do not know you so chances are the man would have been standing there with me holding my Sig at my side. I just casually asking what they want and then while my gun is in their site ask them did they see the no solicitation sign. Oddly Mormons and others have never come back in years.
You tell me why ????
Not suggesting anyone be threatening with their gun, mine is in my house at my side in view.
You knock on my door and ignore my signs, you see my weapon you make the choice you want me to see you as a threat or not ??
I get real protective of my house, my family and my Sh*t. Don't like it read the freaking sign and walk away !!!!
there's nothing wrong with protecting your domicile, there is something wrong with boxing in cars, refusing to allow people to leave, and then demanding they open their vehicle for your inspection as a condition of leaving your property.
that's the only thing I've taken exception to this thread.
Well I think keeping someone on property is kidnapping if I read your post right >>?
Well I think keeping someone on property is kidnapping if I read your post right >>?
Well I think keeping someone on property is kidnapping if I read your post right >>?
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Kidnapping in the second degree
(1) A person commits the crime of kidnapping in the second degree if, with intent to interfere substantially with anothers personal liberty, and without consent or legal authority, the person:
(a) Takes the person from one place to another; or
(b) Secretly confines the person in a place where the person is not likely to be found.
You sure assume a lot.
If you read my post then your B.S. You will further your understand of me, and yourself. You have assumed way more than what was written.
I don't give a darn about what your motive is or your peace full B.S. crap involving your own religious or other beliefs. Keep the hell out.
You sound like one of those anti gun religious freaks to me and I could care less.
Silver Hand
When my Father retired, he quickly came to understand our neighborhood was ripe with Door to Door Sales people. He would hear the knock, mutter under his breath, and answer the door with: "my time costs YOU Sixty $$$ an hour, Starting NOW, with NOW being about three times the volume of his regular speech level.
If they even started to speak, he would say, "In Advance" and hold out his hand to collect !!!! Very effective !!!
As per JW'S, a Single word, Written on the back of a business card, will remove them from your siewalk, forever.
That word, plainly printed, is "DISFELLOWSHIPPED" They may not talk to a former (removed from the JW church) member !!! Tack it to your door frame, They WILL see it.
The last, my neighbor Biker Friend really did... Being in intamacy with his wife, most of Saturday morning, he got tired of being disturbed, having to put on a bath robe, etc.
So, one Saturday, the Bathrobe was left very open, and he simply said,"may I help you"???
No more disturbances on Saturday Mornings !!!! :^)
Three old nuns climbed all the way up my stairs last summer, about 40' worth. Knew the old hens were coming because of the Dakota Alarm. They had a bucket, collecting for something.
I answered the door and all three were out of breath, 'whew, those are really some long stairs ... well the reason we are here ...." ........... SLAM.
Chuckled about that for the rest of the day. Sorry, the walk of shame back down the stairs awaits.
Dressing up like a penguin or wearing a pointy hat doesn't impress me at all. Your perverse institution holds most of the world's wealth, but you've got the balls to go begging to the common man. F-off.
So here's the question: First, was I totally off base with my door slamming policy? It sounds pretty horrible out of context. But I literally get pulled away from something I'm doing a minimum of twice a weekend (and God knows how many times they come around that I'm not here) so I was just a little fed up.
Second question: Should I contact the landlord and sort of, get this on the record? I don't know how much power the caretaker really wields, although I do know that she does the inspection when I leave, and I don't need her gouging my deposit or something if she has an axe to grind.
Last question, although it doesn't really matter now, is WA one of the states that landlords have to give you 24 hours notice for things of this (detector installation) variety?
That's what the law says
you can also make the case he held them hostage. If he were making a lawful citizens arrest he would've delivered to a public officer, instead he was simply being a bully by making them open their car to him and refusing to allow them to leave.
It is not trespassing to enter someone's driveway in plain view to contact them at their house. in fact it's standard to do so because how else can you request permission to be on the property without contacting the owner? unless he has an active restraining order against the people on the property or has filed them notice of trespass they're not trespassing when they come to the front door in full view to ask to talk to the owner.
someone when coming to your door can be
>a hunter or fishing asking permission to use your land
>a census taker
>a cop who wants to ask you some questions
>A courrier
>a coroner's assistant informing you a relative has died
being a young person, I supplement my income by doing simple tasks like serving court process. so imagine this. an attorney I work for as a process server, gets a complaint from Silver hand's neighbor, and the neighbor decides to file a suit. by law for the suit to be valid Silver Hand has to be served the notice in person.
no problem, I drive out to his house, come to his door and knock politely, he's not home, great
so I get in my car to leave, but here comes silver down the driveway. blocks me on, and asks what I'm doing. I politely explain that I'm here to serve him a process, and then silver demands to search my car. I ask if we can get a deputy over to sort this out, but Silver won't hear none of it, he demands to search my car, and I don't want him to. now since silver is a member here, I presume he owns some guns. i see a bulge under his jacket... now from my point of view, I did nothing wrong, he's obviously not happy, he won't let me leave without allowing him to search my personal effects, now I think he has a gun. lets' say i have a CHL and am packing too... what do I do? my only effective option is to allow him to search my car, but getting out of my car may tip him off i'm armed, I can't leave, and he's becoming belligerent. my only option is now to employ that firearm against him to allow me to depart the scene.
see silverhand thinks he's "protecting his family" he's actually putting himself in danger by unnessecarily escalating a situation. I've no problem with protecting your land, I've done it, i;ve also confronted trespassers while watching other people's property. nearly all the time I just ask them to leave and not come back and give them a phone number to reach the owner at if they wish to talk to him. there is no point in escalating a situation, and creating one that turns you into a aggressor-felon and making the supposed "trespasser" the innocent victim who has to defend themselves.
No Clayton Bigsby for them?
I'm always very polite and prompt with the solicitors and Jehovah's Witnesses. I simply tell them I'm not interested and point them to the house directly across the street, informing them that the gentleman over there would be very interested in what they selling or spewing. Across the street from me lives temperamental, unfortunately now somewhat senile, mostly mean and very lonely 86 year old man. Without fail he will invite them in and discuss Korea, guns, "that n***er in the White House" (his words, not mine), his days on the city council or how we need to start a revolution in this country. I have a direct view into his window where he sits at his kitchen table with these people. I'll laugh and watch as these people squirm and try to figure out an exit as he waves his arms around, getting worked up about whatever issue is on his mind. So far the longest he's had one "trapped" has been nearly 2 hours.