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Snohomish County unenforceable gun ban still upheld

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Wenis, Feb 11, 2010.

  1. Wenis

    Wenis Tri-Cities, WA Member

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  2. Will

    Will Everett Active Member

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  3. simpleguy

    simpleguy Clackamas Active Member

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    Fun times..........love this quote......

    Councilman Mike Cooper said even though the county ban is unenforceable, repealing it would send the wrong message.

    "[We should] say to the entire state, parks are a place we don't want guns," said Cooper, "just like schools are a place we don't want guns."

    Please do us all a favor and poll the criminals at the Washington State Pen......they are not going to follow this ban.......so why would we want to disarm the responsible, law abiding folks? OH, they didn't think of that.......
     
  4. tionico

    tionico Thurston County Well-Known Member

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    WSell, Cooper has a good point... parks and schools ARE places we don't want guns. In ANYONE's hands. Trouble is, a sign or law will only stop those who observe signs or laws. Bad Guys do niether. Now, when the local LEO's have established a perfect record of eliminating ALL crime and violence in these places, maybe I won't feel the need. An article linked on the same page as this details how three unarmed private security guards stood a few feet away and WATCHED while a fifteen year old girl was beaten and robbed. She had, a few moments before, asked three on-duty Seattle Cops to escort her to the bus stop in the transit tunnel... she had some stalkers, and feared for her safety. The cops refused, she went anyway, and WAS beaten and robbed in the transit tunnel. So, public transit hires unarmed private citizens to stand and watch, giving them specific orders to NOT intervene in any crime (they are to observe and report ONLY.. same thing the security cameras do already.. at great public expense). Private business, (the mall) somehow rates the services of public law enforcement officers, armed, to protect their goods and premises. Both refuse to be humans, doing nothing as this girl was beaten and robbed... yet they whine as private citizens desire to go about armed, for their own protection and that of those round about them.

    Yup.. Seattle at its best.

    The citizens of Snohomish County ought to invade, en masse, the County Council meeting next scheduled and DEMAND they repeal that illegal law, making it impossible for anyone to be charged with violating it. And then, next election, turn out ALL council members who even flinch at the thought of doing so. Three hundred citizens showing up at the council meeting demanding the county code come into compliance with state law mght awaken someone... and if it doesn't, well, they shouldn't be sleeping on public time anyway. Dump them.
     
  5. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    I have to respectfully disagree. I want a gun on the person of every law abiding citizen everywhere, including in schools. I can think of no better deterrent for criminals whether armed with guns or baseball bats.

    In Oregon I believe I can legally carry my gun in a school since I have a CCW. I realize that some schools have rules against it especially for employees and students and try to enforce it as a condition of employment or attendance, but I don't believe they can stop me as a visitor. I wish every law abiding adult in schools was armed. It might stop a Columbine. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong about my right to carry into a school.

    I also believe I can carry in public parks and I hope everyone else carries too.
     
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    simpleguy Clackamas Active Member

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    I agree with Gunner, in Oregon we can legally carry darn near everywhere.....and yep, to my daughter's school on a pretty regular basis, the firearm never once posed a problem or came out of the holster.....not even at show and tell.
     
  7. tionico

    tionico Thurston County Well-Known Member

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    Gunner, I guess I wasn't obvious enough with my sarcasm..... I placed, as a qualifier, on the idea that parks and schools should not have guns the condition that NO ONE has them, and this can be absolutely assured....... and backed up by the elimination of violence everywhere else. When the cops have done a good enough job anyone can go anywhere any time with NO fear for their own safety, THEN I'd say its safe to assume NO guns are at parks, schools, etc....


    BUT-- since you and I both know that scenario is a pipe dream (though a nice one.... I'd really prefer to carry just because its fun to shoot once in a while, in places safe to do so, with no thought of protection, which would be unnecessary) there WILL be guns at parks and schools... in the hands of those who would do harm (not to mention baseball bats, fists, rocks, booze bottles.....) and further, since LE has proven themselves utterly incapable of preventing violence in all places and at all times, law-abiding citizens (the sort that will heed laws and signs) MUST be allowed their Personal rotection Devices (PPD's).

    I believe Washington prohibits firearms (except for on duty LEO) in public schools... not sure about Community Colleges, nor for after-hours events using school facilities. In other words, if I attend a church meeting in a rented school cafeteria on Sundays, is it unlawful for me to carry.. I'm not clear on that.)
     
  8. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Virginia Tech, Columbine, There's been several school shootings they maybe you couldn't avoid, but there would definelty be a lower body count, minus the shooter.

    And all the shootings in work places, churches, parks, etc. I think every person willing and able should carry a gun. I would feel safer. But I think they should also have to take a competency course, and gun handling course. So we don't have people that wear velcro shoes trying to save the day.