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I was wondering the same thing,I'm guessing blanks or maybe just a primer.Good info, new to me.
BUT,
Holy hell, was he really standing over/behind the pistol as he was drop testing?? Looked like there was no Lexan or anything else between him and the bouncing pistol.
Article that accompanied pointed out they were using primers only (3 different brands).
Sig Sauer P320 Fails Drop Test
Ultimately I'd say this shouldn't look bad for Sig, but it should look bad for the various official drop test standards.
I was wondering the same thing,I'm guessing blanks or maybe just a primer.
Reality and facts matter.Full disclosure: Grayguns has developed patent-pending fire control parts for the P320, to enhance these actions for competition and elite users while maintaining full mechanical safety values. Some of this work was done in cooperation with SIG SAUER, and much independently.
I can state with assurance that I may be considered a SME on this platform.
I speak only for myself here:
We have dropped, thrown and banged on P320's for three years, working on our long-term and very in-depth R&D project. Some of our attempts well exceeded accepted specifications for such drop and jar tests. I include throwing a P320 against our shop wall in that category.
I've never experienced an instance in which an example with intact striker lock and reasonable sear and springing values would fire when dropped, much less a proper factory-spec gun.
I have quietly searched for and looked into online reports of any claimed malfunctions or safety issues, including drop-safety failures.
In three years, have yet to verify a single proven instance in which a proper, factory-spec P320 has fired when dropped.
Individual pistols and parts can break, of course. Were that to happen, SIG SAUER will correct it and revise any component which may benefit from it, as has already been the case with the extractor, for example. This is absolutely to be expected from the world's premier gunmaker.
But that's not the issue. Because there isn't one, in my informed opinion.
However, every bit of my 43 years of gunsmithing and design experience, and my special knowledge of this platform, have convinced me beyond any reasonable doubt that the P320 has no inherent flaw or fault whatsoever in it's safety systems or fire control mechanism.
I've read the memo, followed discussions, communicated with some of the personalities involved and chatted online with one of the authors of a recent blog on the DPD's decision.
I am here to tell you that there is nothing there to justify pulling the P320 from duty.
Nothing at all, as far as I am able to see. And believe me, I have skin in the game, and I am looking.
I fully expect this decision to be rescinded shortly once the light of day and sensibility are brought to bear. What SIG might due in response to the rumourmongering which passes as online journalism these days is not for me to speculate upon.
In fact, speculating about these things at all seems bad form. For my part, I can and will back my statements.
-Bruce Gray
Originally Posted by southswede1
There is this guy who just might know a thing or two about the P320. His name is Bruce Gray. Here is what Bruce has to say:
Friends,
Nothing being discussed here appears to be based in fact from what my informed sources tell us. I can't go into details, but I can comment on some of what's been "reported".
I've personally drop-tested a bunch of P320's in various conditions and in excess of ANSI/SAAMI protocol, and cannot get them to fail.
The so-called P320 drop test video referenced by many is an outright fraud intended to damage SIG SAUER and the P320, in my opinion. I can perhaps replicate what it portrays, only by removing a bunch of springs and the striker lock first. I defy the makers of that video to come forth and prove they can make a stock P320 fire like that in my presence, under controlled conditions. They can't.
In any event I predict this decision by someone in DPD will not pan out to be objectively reasonable or justifiable, and will be reversed.
-Bruce
I was wondering the same thing,I'm guessing blanks or maybe just a primer.
There is no good way for this story to end. Either a bunch of good people are lying about it failing, or Sig and Bruce Gray, whom I've met and respect is lying.
Either way, this is going to turn into a giant bubblegum show. Makes me sad.
As you might expect there does seem to be some controversy over all this so it will likely take some time to get sorted. The below was posted by Bruce Gray of Grayguns over on the Sig Talk forums. He's a pretty reputable source in general but particularly when it comes to the P320. It's post #80 in the linked thread...
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