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[raftman]

One you don't see too commonly it seems, a slightly down-scaled Luger in .380acp from Erma-Werke.

 

[peteNW503]

H&K USC Converted to UMP double stacked magazine arguably the best 45 I have ever owned.

 

[rhylee678]

Take a hike!

 

[orygun]

One you don't see too commonly it seems, a slightly down-scaled Luger in .380acp from Erma-Werke.

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Does it shoot? It's really cool looking.

 

[Buddy1211]

One you don't see too commonly it seems, a slightly down-scaled Luger in .380acp from Erma-Werke.

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Now that's really neat!…I kinda need one now

 

[raftman]

Does it shoot? It's really cool looking.

Yes, it's a fully functional pistol, that shoots, locks open on empty, etc. They also made a .32 acp version which seems even more uncommon, and .22lr version that's by far the most common of the three. The .380 and .32 are about 2/3 scale of the original Luger (hence colloquially called Baby Lugers), interestingly the .22lr model was 75% scale, thus actually larger than the ones chambered for the larger calibers.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Yes, it's a fully functional pistol, that shoots, locks open on empty, etc. They also made a .32 acp version which seems even more uncommon, and .22lr version that's by far the most common of the three. The .380 and .32 are about 2/3 scale of the original Luger (hence colloquially called Baby Lugers), interestingly the .22lr model was 75% scale, thus actually larger than the ones chambered for the larger calibers.

Don't buy the .22. It's utter, utter, garbage. One of the top 2 worst guns I've ever owned. It looks cool though. .22 simply cannot run a toggle lock action reliably.

 

[raftman]

Don't buy the .22. It's utter, utter, garbage. One of the top 2 worst guns I've ever owned. It looks cool though. .22 simply cannot run a toggle lock action reliably.

Yeah I've heard some "mixed" things about the .22lr model but I was never too interested anyways, wanted a center fire variant.

 

[RyanG90]

My truck gun, 12.5" barrel .308

 

[orygun]

Don't buy the .22. It's utter, utter, garbage. One of the top 2 worst guns I've ever owned. It looks cool though. .22 simply cannot run a toggle lock action reliably.

Yeah I've heard some "mixed" things about the .22lr model but I was never too interested anyways, wanted a center fire variant.

I never heard "mixed things" about the 22LR version. I heard that NONE of them run. That's why I asked about the 380.
Very cool.

 

[raftman]

To be more correct, Erma actually made two different .22lr versions, early on they made full-scale model (this was called the La-22), and then later transitioned to a 75% scale one (called the KGP-69). I don't know if either of them is supposed to be better or if both suffered from .22lr just not having enough oomph to cycle the toggle reliably.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

.. .22lr just not having enough oomph to cycle the toggle reliably.

This is the physics problem that cannot be overcome with an action that was designed for a much more powerful cartridge. As a wall hanger 22lr is fine. But then might as well buy a replica 9mm or whatever. Especially if it's an interesting one such as navy or artillery. I will not own an unreliable gun personally.

 

[raftman]

This is the physics problem that cannot be overcome with an action that was designed for a much more powerful cartridge…

Yeah I figure there's a reason few other manufacturers tried to do it that way. I think Stoeger tried to do .22 Luger as well but I think those are even worse.

 

[rhylee678]

Somewhere beyond the 10mm

 

[Bolt_308]

Picked up a Standard Manufacturing Color Case Hardened 1911. . .

HOLY CRAP- this thing looks SOOO much better even in person! When the gun store employee opened to box and fancy cloth wrap, he instantly was like 'holy cow, I should be wearing gloves for this one!'. He literally wouldn't touch the metal, only touching the wood grips lol!

It is beyond awesome, and so well made. Everything is just tight and perfectly machined. This gun hits WAY higher than its price for sure! I know some think it is too much color, but once you see it in person, it is just fantastic . . .

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Picked up a Standard Manufacturing Color Case Hardened 1911. . .

HOLY CRAP- this thing looks SOOO much better even in person! When the gun store employee opened to box and fancy cloth wrap, he instantly was like 'holy cow, I should be wearing gloves for this one!'. He literally wouldn't touch the metal, only touching the wood grips lol!

It is beyond awesome, and so well made. Everything is just tight and perfectly machined. This gun hits WAY higher than its price for sure! I know some think it is too much color, but once you see it in person, it is just fantastic . . .

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Thank you for sharing that....beautiful pistol.

A Color case hardened frame and Colt Pre - War blue. slide....would also be stunning.
Andy

 

[gmerkt]

Standard Manufacturing Color Case Hardened 1911. . .

I'm always the last guy to get the word, I had to look these up, never heard of the brand before.

Beautiful finish on the gun. Which I admire, but for someone else. Like jewelry, which I don't wear but I admire it on other people. Back in the early 2000's, Smith & Wesson made some distributor specials of classic revolvers that had case hardened finishes. I liked those a lot, not just for the finish but the classic design revival of some models.

I've read that the Standard Manufacturing uses a true case hardening process. I don't know if the Smiths referred to above were done with that process. Not long after the Ruger Vaquero first came out, I bought one of those with a case hardened looking finish on part of the frame. But I bought that one because it came with two .45 cylinders, not because of the finish. Which actually looked pretty good. I've read those weren't "real" case hardening. Nor are the receivers on a couple of my NEF crack-open shotguns.

While I was catching up on the Standard Mfg. 1911's, I read about the clear coating that was used. At least on some of them, to protect the case hardening from fading. Use of caustic cleaning chemicals (acetone, MEK, toluene, lacquer thinner, etc) can screw this coating up so don't use them. Maybe they don't do this on the current ones.

 

[Bolt_308]

Thank you for sharing that....beautiful pistol.

A Color case hardened frame and Colt Pre - War blue. slide....would also be stunning.
Andy

Standard also sells a fully blued 1911. Maybe I should buy that one two, then swap slides? heh. Too bad it looks like their slides are fitted to the frame, so probably would cause wear . . .

 

[Bolt_308]

I'm always the last guy to get the word, I had to look these up, never heard of the brand before.

Beautiful finish on the gun. Which I admire, but for someone else. Like jewelry, which I don't wear but I admire it on other people. Back in the early 2000's, Smith & Wesson made some distributor specials of classic revolvers that had case hardened finishes. I liked those a lot, not just for the finish but the classic design revival of some models.

I've read that the Standard Manufacturing uses a true case hardening process. I don't know if the Smiths referred to above were done with that process. Not long after the Ruger Vaquero first came out, I bought one of those with a case hardened looking finish on part of the frame. But I bought that one because it came with two .45 cylinders, not because of the finish. Which actually looked pretty good. I've read those weren't "real" case hardening. Nor are the receivers on a couple of my NEF crack-open shotguns.

While I was catching up on the Standard Mfg. 1911's, I read about the clear coating that was used. At least on some of them, to protect the case hardening from fading. Use of caustic cleaning chemicals (acetone, MEK, toluene, lacquer thinner, etc) can screw this coating up so don't use them. Maybe they don't do this on the current ones.

Yeah I read that too about the finish. Going to be extra cautious with this one. I read that Standard will refinish it for free if there are problems. Standard Manufacturing is owned by Connecticut Shotgun Manufacturing Co, and I read that the 1911s are made in the same facility as their shoguns, which cost upwards of $60,000 EACH. Their Single Action Army revolvers are supposed to be the highest quality SAA currently made. They hired a bunch of Colts long time gunsmiths when Colt went through their crap . . .

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[ilikegunspdx]

Yeah I read that too about the finish. Going to be extra cautious with this one. I read that Standard will refinish it for free if there are problems. Standard Manufacturing is owned by Connecticut Shotgun Manufacturing Co, and I read that the 1911s are made in the same facility as their shoguns, which cost upwards of $60,000 EACH. Their Single Action Army revolvers are supposed to be the highest quality SAA currently made. They hired a bunch of Colts long time gunsmiths when Colt went through their crap . . .

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IMO standard is a schizophrenic company much like USFA. USFA produced the best SAA revolvers. It was located in the colt armory. Then Doug Donnelly produced the plastic, idiotic, zip22 which is known as probably the worst gun ever made. This bankrupted the company in 2017.

Standard has both colt and USFA employees and continued the combination of brilliance and insanity. My guess is they got both the "plastic idiotic designers" and the "quality SAA craftsmen" both from USFA. IMO they make some of the worst guns you can buy such as the "thunderstruck" as well as the "switch gun", which imo is below Lorcin levels of build quality.

Then they make the complete opposite, the excellent SAA. I'm sure their 1911 is excellent as well and their color case hardening appears to be at a Turnbull Restoration level of quality. That alone makes the 1911 a piece to be treasured imo. The fact that they only make SAA and 1911 as their "brilliant" guns (the same guns made in the Colt armory) also leads me to believe the Colt and USFA employees brought that expertise from both to standard manufacturing and continue to make them to Colt/USFA (pre-zip abomination) standards.

Kinda reminds me of Steve Jobs at apple in 1983. Had all the sharpest employees in a separate building with a pirate flag and developed the Macintosh. I bet the Colt and USFA employees are the same in that they have their separate 1911 and SAA production team under the parent standard manufacturing company. I sure hope they keep the goofball plastic boys (thunderstruck and others) separate from the actual gun craftsmen (1911 & SAA).

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USFS zip 22 story:

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