Shooting a Dog to protect your dog justified?

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Part of the reason for my reaction to his loss is the obvious, grief. Another is, that at 72 I have entered the realm of time consideration that has to do with the dog outliving me and it is a sad thing to see. (a Movie about this - Hatchi, A Dog's Tail) They don't understand that sudden separation and can interpret it as abandonment. There is also the fact that when my wife retires we will be traveling more. Lastly, while I don't regret a dollar spent, Jake's ailments in his last 3 to 4 years, mainly arthritic back and joint issues became an expensive reality of treatments and medications to keep him moving and as comfortable as possible. They ran about $350 to $400 a month.

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We just recently got my Father in Law a new dog and he is 90. He had a dog that at about 13 had to be put down. Wife said she could not remember seeing her Father cry before that. She took the dog to the Vet for him as he could not handle doing it. He at first said no more. Months later he changed his mind. We got a mix dog as puppy, spent a month or so with it training it to walk on a leash and then it went to him. He loves it even though it's of course hard to keep up with a puppy for a 90 year old. Several of the family help out. Take the puppy to puppy play time and walks. We made it clear to him that if he passes before the dog we are of course going to take it. That way he was comfortable having another.
 

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... She took the dog to the Vet for him ...
I had to put a cat to sleep a couple years ago. I hired a mobile vet to come do it at home. For dogs, a trip to the vet may not be so nerve wracking but for cats it's a different matter (although I have seen anxious and nervous dogs in the vet's waiting room, even if they liked being in the car on the way there). Anyway, I think it was the best way for him having those he loved touching him while he could be in a place he felt most comfortable.
 
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I had to put a cat to sleep a couple years ago. I hired a mobile vet to come do it at home. For dogs, a trip to the vet may not be so nerve wracking but for cats it's a different matter (although I have seen anxious and nervous dogs in the vet's waiting room, even if they liked being in the car on the way there). Anyway, I think it was the best way for him having those he loved touching him while he could be in a place he felt most comfortable.
I have heard of those places. Plan to look into seeing if they have one here as I have one dog who is not long for this world. Will of course depend on how it goes when it's time. FIL's dog seemed fine the night before, they woke up in the morning and he could not get up. FIL could not bring himself to see the dog put down he was so attached to him. That's the hardest part of being a lover of Dogs, they have such a short lifespan.
 
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You don't shoot someone's dog because yous is losing the fight. I have American Bulldogs and labs and retrievers have started fights with them. Had I let it go, the labs would have been dispatched in short order. I don't want to see someone's dog get hurt even if they started it, so I protect others dogs from themselves by controlling mine. My point is that if mr. Triggerhappy with his lab that started a fight and was losing shot my dog, there would be another fight going on. As someone else mentioned, the sprays will work. You can also lift a dog by the back legs and they will let go even if they have a lock. I would be concerned about being charged with unlawful discharge or something, especially if in USSP. You could also injure your dog or a bystander. If you are on your property and another dog comes on it and attacks, that is another matter. My neighbor has an aggressive st. Bernard that has bit someone's already.
 

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It's easy to tell the attitude of dogs when they start looking at each other , that is the time to nip it in the butt before it ever gets started .my dog is only of the leash if he is playing with some kids in a controlled area..
 

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If you or a dog goes face to face square on it is a challenge to the dog being faced off against. It is a sign of dominance and the hope is one of the dogs will lower its head. When it doesn't you have two dogs trying to dominate each other - voila - a fight. Always turn your body a bit when confronting a dog that is not familiar with you. You will notice that dogs that are friendly will try to sniff each other buts first, kind of approaching at a angle. This is where socialization as a puppy is so important . As humans we have codes of proper behavior so do dogs. You can tell a lot by seeing how the dogs respond before they ever get within distance of each other. A perfect example is a dog that is playful will sometimes act liking a rocking horse when it come close to you or your dog - versus head down running as fast as it can straight at you. If your going to play the game learn the rules.
 
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1) "i wish i could shoot cats...just sayin "
Why? What have my kitties ever done to you?
2) "dogs are not family they are property regardless of how you feel about them"
In the eyes of the law that's true, but we cherish our fur people as members of the family.
3) "Pound-for-pound, I'd put my money on a cat over a dog in a fight."
Yup. Me too. But like everything else it depends on the individual critters. Cats punch above their weight. We were speaking with our new landlord some years back, when his dog and our tomcat started trading stinkeye thru the sliding glass door. His kid said to open the door and let them settle it. I liked the idea since I didn't like them, but I had no ill will toward the dog, which was not much bigger than the cat. The cat looked like The Rock in a cat suit and would have shredded the dog in a matter of nanoseconds. I did not think that it would help our tenant/landlord relationship if Dnx ripped his dog's face off.
4) "Pitbulls lose all train of though except to keep their jaws locked,"
True dat. Their jaws lock up with enough strength to require a lot of leverage to pry them loose, and you still may not have a long enough stick.
 
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I'm not really sure what your comments have to do with the subject - other than possibly #2 but still not sure what you are saying. Since you are a "cat guy", I would like to correct something that you said. I have had the honor of having 7 American Bulldogs over the past 23 years and am a fan of the bull breeds. I would like to correct your comment #4. Put Bulls, bulldogs, mastiffs and the Molosser type dogs (look it up if you don't know) do not have "locking jaws". They do have incredible bite force, pain tolerance and tenacity. A cat may intimidate some dogs but please don't let your cat try to fight with a bull breed. Some may back down but most won't. My dogs kill every cat, opossum, coon or small critter they can if they come on my property. They do not back down. They hit at full speed and with ferocity. They have literally torn a cat in half. I'm not trying to start an argument. I just don't like to hear people parroting that myth or talking negatively about bull breeds. They are not for everyone but for those who want a very affectionate yet protection minded dog, they are great. BTW, my childhood dog was a Golden Retriever who killed many coons, opossums, squirrels, birds and didn't back down from a bear when it came near the house.

Myths and Facts About Pit Bulls | Petfinder
 

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I have never understood why if you cared about a companion you would ever intentionally put it in harm's way.. i.do not need for my dog to kick another dogs but. I want my dog to live as long as he is healthy. My dogs and cats are family members and I feel that is my responsibility and desire to protect them. Nah my dogs a wimp wether he is or not I dont really want to know.
 

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Anyone recall Kimberly Guilfoyle's, at the time a San Francisco prosecutor, pit bull cases where people were mauled and died?

Yeah, there was more than one.

Big dogs, not just Pits, can and do maul and kill people way more often than is fully appreciated.

I've too have been attacked and luckily my (at the time) young daughter and I were able to run and leap into the open bed of my pickup before an unprovoked pitbull got to us.

It was half a block away when we spotted it madly running without barking in our immediate direction.

The owner, at least I thought he was the owner at the time and fortunately for us spotted what was happening and came to our rescue dragging the dog back to his house.

I later informed him that I would if it happened again I would immediately call the police and start legal proceedings.

In this case, he said nothing in return and we never saw the dog again.

He and I eventually became good neighbors.

He is actually a very nice guy and told me he was dog sitting for 'his' daughter's dog at the time and when he exited his house, it had barged it's way out and completely understood my concern and anger.

Folks who keep large, dangerous dogs have an obligation to keep them under total control - it's not the world at large who need accommodate large attacking dogs with less than lethal means of defending themselves.

That idea is nonsense.

Innocent humans should not be expected or responsible for the welfare of attacking dogs - The owners are responsible and if their dog dies attacking humans, it's the owner's fault.
 
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My sister and her dog were recently attacked by two pit bulls. The PBs jumped a six foot fence, went after her dog and then attacked her when she scooped up her dog to save it's life. Fortunately she had the presence of mind to drop her dog over another neighbors fence which broke up the fight. She had bite wounds all over her arms and torso, some pretty severe ones on her upper arms. Her dog had surgery and survived. The interesting thing is that although the dog owner was ordered by the city to pay my sisters health and vet bills, and to erect a 9 foot fence (which has been erected although it's against city code) nothing was done about the dogs. Oh, they were not licensed and had not had rabies shots so the owner was told to comply with those regulations. But nothing is done about dogs that attacked another dog and a human. No repercussions at all, other than a taller fence and a financial hit. Dogs still live there, people in the neighborhood are now afraid to use the walking path behind the house, and can you imagine what happens if the dogs get out and attack a child next time? The dogs should be destroyed in my view, and I love dogs. And I don't understand why people would keep them after that, waiting for the next time it could possibly happen.
 

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Portland woman's dog was shot multiple times near local high school

Police: Dog shot at high school in SE Portland

Portland woman's dog recovering after shooting

Owner lets her dog run free .... she follows ... dog approaches a man, barks etc. Dude shot it.
Dog not dead, dude runs off.


Lets Dog Run FREE .... what do you think will happen?


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Man shot, killed dog attacking his dog outside coffee shop in Multnomah Village

Dog was off leash - ran and attacked a mans dog.
What did they think would happen?

Police confirmed the man who shot the dog was carrying a concealed weapons permit and will not be charged at this time.
 

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I understand you can shoot a dog if you feel your life is in danger from a dog attack.

But what if you are walking your nice retriever at the park and a pit bull attacks your dog? Say it has a hold of your retrievers neck and you know your dog is about to be killed. Is shooting the attacking dog justified?

I cannot find any info on this in the ordinance... I carry when I walk my dog and was thinking about the senario being a possibility when a pitbull was severely harrasing us and I had to fend it off with a stick. Thankfully the dog's intentions were to mount my retriever but what if its intentions were to kill my dog?:confused:

I seen a couple days ago someone shot a dog in Portland from a distance to where they did not know who did it. By the looks of the dog he was a beagle mix ? pup .that did not do anything aggressive. If someone felt threatened by him They are a real Pussy.
 
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I understand you can shoot a dog if you feel your life is in danger from a dog attack.

But what if you are walking your nice retriever at the park and a pit bull attacks your dog? Say it has a hold of your retrievers neck and you know your dog is about to be killed. Is shooting the attacking dog justified?

I cannot find any info on this in the ordinance... I carry when I walk my dog and was thinking about the senario being a possibility when a pitbull was severely harrasing us and I had to fend it off with a stick. Thankfully the dog's intentions were to mount my retriever but what if its intentions were to kill my dog?:confused:
One warning to the owner if present and possible, then dead dog. Iirc it can be felony cruelty to animals to kill a dog unless justified by danger, chasing livestock, etc.
 
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I almost had to shoot a pitbull recently at the dog park over off 162nd in NE Vancouver. Luckily I was able to pry him off the other persons dog without hurting him. I have been quiet about it for the last couple months because there was still a chance the lady was going to press charges against the owners. I really need to write about it now that it is all settled.
My dog has been attacked so many times I have lost count. All have been unprovoked, have come from all directions, she’s been leashed, they weren’t and all have been her that’s attacked even when my other 2 dogs were it her her. every time it’s traumatic and takes us weeks to get over it. She gets offensive towards other dogs and each attack takes her longer and longer to get over it. Then...bam. Another off leash dog starts the whole thing over again.

Every single attack has been followed with the owner saying...”My dog has never done that before”. Like I should be honored that they chose my dog to attack??

for the past 12 years, I have had 4 dogs and 4 indoor only cats. I manage to keep all of them safe and secure every day. I will never understand people who fail to do so.

I hope I never have to hurt or kill a dog because their owner doesn't feel leash laws apply to them.
 
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Screw the spray. Shoot the damn dog if it's attacking. Clean up the mess afterward while you gently pet your beloved and grateful dog, which survived as a result of your timely intervention. Pay the fine, do the weekend. Whatever. It's your dog for cryin' out loud.
Totally agree. :s0094:

Consequences be damned. This is a LIFE we're talking about, and in our case it's also FAMILY.

Ours is a beta female Rott and a total sweetheart at that, in her ninth year. We've NEVER allowed her to be aggressive with other dogs, other than when she's being attacked, usually by smaller dogs. I just don't want her to trigger that instinct for fightig and blood.

However recently we had a conflict which caught us by surprise. There's a large old school nearby that's now a privately owed thrift store. We'd been there before, without our dog, and they had their very friendly dogs running throughout. We always told ourselves we'd have to go back there with our Rott.

We entered and a couple of the dogs greeted us, escorting us throughout the building. All were havig fun, ours was unleashed as well.

We rounded a corner and heard a deep barking coming from an out-of-sight location. Suddely this huge Great Dane mix came directly toward our dog with an aggressive look and growl. I'd have jumped into its path to distract it but the dog was on a mission and I had no idea if it would attack humans as well.

It immediately cornered our Rott and turned up the heat, as hostile as one can get without the actual attack. Our dog was absolutely baffled. I hadn't given her the command to attack, me thinking this was yet another posturing episode that would end with sniffing and eventual boredom.

It was clear that it was elevating and that this dog could easily kill ours if intended. I wasn't going to get between them but let out a swift kick to the dogs flanks. That triggered the attack. I continued to kick until the owner materialized and intervened, removing his dog from the premises with apologies. We'd met them before and they were really good people, but this was clearly beyond the pale.

Should this happen again I'll immediately give the command so she KNOWS she has permission to be aggressive, putting herself on full guard. The thing I FORGOT to do when kicking from the flank side was to do a STOMACH KICK. Dogs are extremely sensitive to be kicked in the stomach, between their legs and below the rib base. It'll shut them down in a hurry.

Because of the setting and the fact that we'd already screened the place before, we were totally caught off guard. I didn't even carry into the building for exactly that reason, very small town setting, population around 200.

Had I been armed and my dog was in a death thro and pinned by the neck by this huge dog, I'd have shot him without hesitation. If the owner suddenly showed while this was going on, and attacked me in the process, I'd have done all I could to set some distance between us but I may have shot him as well.

I see this as no different than having my child attacked. What would ANYONE do to protect their child from a deadly situation?
 

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