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That does not apply to a Shockwave because a Shockwave was never a shotgun and therefore not made from a shotgun.
There was rifle above it on the page. The relevant part is the definition of how ATF measuresThat does not apply to a Shockwave because a Shockwave was never a shotgun and therefore not made from a shotgun.
But barrel length in an of itself is irrelevant with regards to the Shockwave/et. al. - only in how it pertains to overall length.There was rifle above it on the page. The relevant part is the definition of how ATF measures
the length of a firearm.
Here is another clip---this one from the NIST.Gov site:
4.2.5 Measurands: The quantities to be measured for BL-OL are described in ATF-NFA. Briefly, "The ATF procedure for measuring barrel length is to measure from the closed bolt (or breech-face) to the furthermost end of the barrel", and "The overall length of a firearm is the distance between the muzzle of the barrel and the rearmost portion of the weapon measured on a line parallel to the axis of the bore."
How's does this even work my Mossberg pgo has a threaded bolt that goes into the barrel lug. Did they change the design with these new ones? Sorry for the off topic it's captured my curisocity590 Magazine Extension, +One - Matte
Go one more round with this +1 magazine extension. Great for home defense or hunters looking to add more capacity to their magazine. Compatible with 590 or 835 models. Note: Not recommended for 590 Shockwave.www.mossberg.com
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In this photo, a standard Shockwave without a mag extension, you can see the barrel is barely longer than the end of the mag tube:
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Shockwaves with mag extensions (with a standoff device on the end of the extension):
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I don't have one, but I assume the extension threads into the lugHow's does this even work my Mossberg pgo has a threaded bolt that goes into the barrel lug. Did they change the design with these new ones? Sorry for the off topic it's captured my curisocity
So the magazine extension doesn't actually hold extra rounds? A +0 mag extension if you will? What does it help with? Mounting space?I don't have one, but I assume the extension threads into the lug
Great question, I would think they should count it.If I put a mag extension on a Mossberg Shockwave, such that it extends past the muzzle of the barrel, does that count towards the OAL with respect to it being a legal 26"??
It does hold extra rounds.So the magazine extension doesn't actually hold extra rounds? A +0 mag extension if you will? What does it help with? Mounting space?
I think so too - it isn't like the gun can function without the mag tube or with the extension removed (unless you put the cap back on).Great question, I would think they should count it.
This is non NFA, correct? Do you think they counted the OAL without the brace removed? I am working on ideas for a 12ga built on AR15 receivers (probably slam fire design because I am lazy) and would like to make the barrel as short as possible while still having 26+ OAL.But barrel length in an of itself is irrelevant with regards to the Shockwave/et. al. - only in how it pertains to overall length.
There is at least one variation of these "firearms" (BAT Pro Series S Mini) that has a ten inch barrel and a pistol brace, making it 26"+ OAL:
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AFAIK yes, non-NFA "firearm", which I believe includes the brace - I don't see how it could be non-NFA otherwiseThis is non NFA, correct? Do you think they counted the OAL without the brace removed? I am working on ideas for a 12ga built on AR15 receivers (probably slam fire design because I am lazy) and would like to make the barrel as short as possible while still having 26+ OAL.
They must have redesigned these shockwave ones from the old PGO ones. Darn.It does hold extra rounds.
Here is a problem I see with the firearm pictured. The brace is classified as an accessory and should not be counted in the OAL. The tube that the brace is mounted on could also be classified as an accessory and may not count towards the OAL unless it's necessary for the function of the firearm. This is why I would like to incorporate a buffer tube as a necessary part of my AR 12ga build. I will not be running a brace on it.But barrel length in an of itself is irrelevant with regards to the Shockwave/et. al. - only in how it pertains to overall length.
There is at least one variation of these "firearms" (BAT Pro Series S Mini) that has a ten inch barrel and a pistol brace, making it 26"+ OAL:
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