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What the Governor should have done in the emergency declaration is order that any wildfire be fought with all resources available as soon as it is discovered. This is how to control the fires.

The states have agreements to help one another with wildfires. Part of the Declaration is just Public Relations propaganda.
Yes, but a long term, comprehensive, forest thinning plan is what's really needed. It's going to happen, either by logging companies and harvesting resources, or by wildfire.
 
Yes, but a long term, comprehensive, forest thinning plan is what's really needed. It's going to happen, either by logging companies and harvesting resources, or by wildfire.
I thinned around the house and clear cut on the other side of the gully. The problem with clear cuts is that they need to be managed. They need to be replanted and non-productive trees sprayed and killed/removed. Cut down a maple or alder tree and it will just grow back up with 40 shoots from the stump, which will shade out the conifers. The grass/weed and other brush will grow up too, plus the deer will eat the conifers that are planted. All of this makes clear cuts actually more prone to wildfire as a fire can burn thru that fuel easier and faster than thru a mature section of conifers.

Thinning increases the distance between the trees - reducing how easily and quickly fire moves between the trees - but the thinning should not be so thin that sun can get thru the overstory and increase the brush on the floor. Also, thinning the less mature trees that can't compete with the larger taller trees is good - the larger trees have more resistance to fire - thicker bark, more water inside the trunk, and are better able to recover from fire damage. Thinner smaller trees are actually in demand for poles (power line poles, etc.), and most sawmills cannot handle trees above a certain diameter like they used to, so the really large trees often have to be trucked further away from the logging site.

The downside of logging/etc., is that it leaves a LOT of fuel on the ground, even when the logger makes a concerted effort to remove it by piling much of it into slash piles. I spent a lot of time and put in a lot of work (including hiring helpers) to remove a lot of that fuel on the ground.
 
Rrrright....... because every one knows......that there is a line painted on the forest floor, to tell you which state you're in. LOL.

Aloha, Mark
Not quite painted but there are survey marks and locators if you know where exactly you are in the woods :rolleyes: edit, otherwise how would USFS and Dept of wildlife/fish know which unit and areas to issue tags in?
 
Nah......my comment was more like......

Chief to the fire fighter crew: "Let's stop here. The fire is on the other side."

Aloha, Mark
 
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Imaginary lines on the forest floor do happen, and fire crews do say "stop here." I have a friend who managed wildfire crews. A few years ago, he was working a major fire near Sisters, Oregon. His crews would fight the fire fiercely, and almost get it under control. Then, it would reach BLM or Forest Service land, and he was ordered to pull his crews off, because the Feds had a policy of "Let It Burn." The fire would then roar back into major proportions, only to expand onto private land again, and his crews were ordered back to work.

This repeated several times. The Federal response to the damage to private property? "It is natural."
 
It's going to happen, either by logging companies and harvesting resources, or by wildfire.
agree
there are too many bureaucracies exercising their particular set of rules, all affected by national political whims, superimposed with a conflicting series of goals and methods, which can be affected by various self-appointed Greenie groupers, some of which are sadly misinformed yet noisy in expressing their own opinions. Plus in Oregon the odd "every other section" of timber alternates between private & public land.
 
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REDDING, CA


Golfer Starts Fire

As crews were mopping up the Quartz Hill fire, a second fire was called in at 3:40 p.m., this one just to the southeast of Gold Hills Golf Club in northeast Redding.

Redding Fire investigator Ron Krznarich said the fire started when a golfer hit his ball off the course and out into the dry grass.

When the golfer tried to chip his ball back onto the course it created a spark when his club hit a rock or some dirt, he said.

"I guess it really doesn't matter, it's just that dry," Krznarich said.

He said the golfer walked away and a moment later looked back and saw the grass on fire. He tried to put out the flames, but it was too late and it began to spread too quickly for him to contain, he said.

Krznarich said he could not remember ever going to a fire that was started by a golf club. That fire burned about 1 acre, he said.

 

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