Salem capitol protests .......Productive.....

[E4mafia]

This is true but so far he seems to be off the hook. Supposedly all the antifa are all already released but that's a given since last year.

 

[Aero Denezol]

The police have their hands tied. Thugs have already graffitied the brand new Salem police station. This after the police went out and kneeled with protestors and all of that.. If the police had responded to the vandals in equal measure, this would have been blamed on the police, and become an international news story about "police brutality".

 

[Dinglenutz]

The hefty cop holding his firearm in 'killshot' mode might require some fresh firearm training though

 

[PDXbiker]

Not the smartest choice to stop your vehicle in the midst of a mob who are out to damage it. Even a worst choice getting out by himself to confront them. And then finally pulling out his handgun. Which intimidated no one and instead presented them the opportunity to immediately call police over to arrest him. I sympathize with the guy but he just should have driven on through. In an ambush zone one doesn't stop and get out. It's pedal to the metal.

 

[Stomper]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1376619580290912256

This seems to reinforce the flash alert and one members claims here, that the guy who defended himself wasn't charged.

Excellent! There is hope.....still...

Gee, those five Antifa dudes' heads would make for interesting canoes....

 

[Capn Jack]

In an ambush zone one doesn't stop and get out. It's pedal to the metal.

Never stop to ask if they were really shooting at you...

 

[nammac]

Aaaaaaaand, I read this morn that the OR senate has voted to ban all firearms at the Capitol.

Further suppressing the rights of one group over the vandalism of another... If the legislators actually did their job, they'd not have to ban firearms at the Capitol...

 

[gmerkt]

Driving away and dealing with the vandalism to his truck would've been the smart option. There is what is right and there is what is practical. I don't cotton to the idea of dealing with a mob on my own.

There is the issue of the guy getting maced. I get that. But it started out being an issue of property damage. I don't know about Oregon but in Wash. state it isn't lawful to use lethal force to protect property. It's hard for people to remember this when they become infuriated by brazen acts against themselves.

 

[Dinglenutz]

Not the smartest choice to stop your vehicle in the midst of a mob who are out to damage it.

I think the paint on the windshield made driving unsafe.

I don't know about Oregon but in Wash. state it isn't lawful to use lethal force to protect property. It's hard for people to remember this when they become infuriated by brazen acts against themselves.

He didn't pull until he was assaulted.

 

[RVTECH]

First mistake: going to an area where there is going to be a "protest".

Or if you do maybe take a vehicle that is not adorned with 'pro' this and that symbols.

Hey not saying you shouldn't have the right to display what you want but under the current conditions it's like throwing gas on the fire.

 

[Johnkendall]

Or if you do maybe take a vehicle that is not adorned with 'pro' this and that symbols.

Hey not saying you shouldn't have the right to display what you want but under the current conditions it's like throwing gas on the fire.

No, this isn't a 3rd world country with no-go zones because little communists want to run around mad. They need to be dealt with swiftly, and that is exactly the kind of placating that is continuing to embolden a lot of these freaks.

 

[Dinglenutz]

Or if you do maybe take a vehicle that is not adorned with 'pro' this and that symbols.

This. Stick your neck out enough and someone will show up with an axe.

 

[RVTECH]

They need to be dealt with swiftly,

I agree completely but the problem is they ain't be 'dealt with swiftly' so knowing this why aggravate the situation ?

A good time to repeat, 'Just because you can doesn't mean you should'

 

[CRBMoA]

Agree that my first thought is he should have not been there, but the signage on the truck indicates he is not shy about expressing himself.

Shouldn't have gotten out, shouldn't have engaged, IMHO.

OTOH, if you mace me, you can be damn sure I am drawing my weapon. Anything less than at least a hand on the grip is basically negligent at that point.

 

[peteNW503]

What I find interesting is how willing almost like they are looking forward to using their firearms in a self defensive situation. Some people think their Rambo or seen to many Hollywood's movies if you want to do all that tactical stuff join the military or joins organizations that host shooting competition. My gun is my last resort option while I have confidence using it I still find myself thinking of every reasonable option before coming to the conclusion of pulling out my firearm and or Having to discharging it is far worse but you really have to be careful and know your audience!

 

[Caveman Jim]

Oregon, over the weekend

Moment protester vandalizes a Trump supporter's truck

Footage captured the demonstrators spraying paint across the windshield of the man's truck and smashing the tail lights in Salem, Oregon on Sunday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

• Footage captured the demonstrators spraying paint across the windshield of the man's truck and smashing the tail lights in Salem on Sunday
• The video showed him pulling out his gun and pointing it at the anti-fascist protesters after appearing to be maced. He could be heard shouting: 'Get away from me'
• As police arrived, the man could be seen putting his gun into the back of his truck before putting his hands up and kneeling on the ground

Could you make a case, in court, that your life was in danger by being sprayed? How could you know at the moment if the spray would be lethal? See photo of squirt gun in the article.

Police arrest 4 during Oregon State Capitol anti-fascist protest, clash with right-wing supporters

Anti-fascist demonstrators gathered at the Oregon Capitol to protest Freedom rally caravan

www.statesmanjournal.com

PHOTOS: Protests at Oregon Capitol March 28

Photos of an anti-fascist protest at the Oregon State Capitol in Salem on Sunday.

www.statesmanjournal.com

How does anyone know what an angry ant ifa crowd that is hovering around you at one of their riots, they are spraying you with mace to disorient you?
No one knows what the crowd is going to do, they could beat you up or beat you to death for that matter.... It's up to us to prove that we were in fear for our lives then and with no witnesses from the police that had their backs turned to what is happening in front of them...
So any liberal progressive prosecutor would surely run anyone that protects themselves with a gun into the dungeon.
Bloody Hell!!!!

 

[Caveman Jim]

OR sucks, i sure hope the rioters were hell accountable...

Of course they're not gonna be held accountable, TPTB are the ones that pay and encourage them to be there to do what they do.

 

[asiparks]

so much wrong....

Nothing good ever, ever comes from engaging with a crowd that's not on your side- only outcome is escalation. I would be red hot pissed if someone thew rocks and paint at my car, but my insurance coverage is still good a mile down the road or back at home. I'd rather be indoors with wounded pride then a wounded body.

He did draw his ( unloaded) weapon and it impressed maybe half the crowd. The other half continued goading him.
That was his trump card played- now people are taunting him from 15 feet away so what's the next move ? Fire a warning shot ?- good luck with that.

He had no idea if any of the antifa were carrying- he racked in a round, signalling intent and levelling up from non lethal, ( what the law considers, not what you "feel" might be), to lethal- so it could be argued he's now fair game for someone on the other side to shoot at him.

Hypothetical Q, for those who say if I'm maced, I'm drawing my weapon-- if I'm being maced/bear sprayed, how exactly am I going to be sure of what i'm shooting at ? I've been pepper sprayed and I couldn't see a damn thing. If I was waving a pistol around, it would not have been hard for someone to take it from me. Sure I could fire on that person- what if it's LEO? What if it's someone not trying to get my gun, but pull me to safety ?
As chemical irritants are the primary non lethal method of crowd dispersal, how would you argue your life was in imminent danger ?

 

[asiparks]

How does anyone know what an angry ant ifa crowd that is hovering around you at one of their riots, they are spraying you with mace to disorient you?
No one knows what the crowd is going to do, they could beat you up or beat you to death for that matter.... It's up to us to prove that we were in fear for our lives then and with no witnesses from the police that had their backs turned to what is happening in front of them...
So any liberal progressive prosecutor would surely run anyone that protects themselves with a gun into the dungeon.
Bloody Hell!!!!

Right. So stay away from the crowd. Don't get out and repeatedly wander to and from your truck.

It's been well over a year now, so if you decide to go where there is a protest, you can't act all surprised if some bubblegum goes down, and not in your favor.

 

[CRBMoA]

Hypothetical Q, for those who say if I'm maced, I'm drawing my weapon-- if I'm being maced/bear sprayed, how exactly am I going to be sure of what i'm shooting at ? Who said anything about shooting?

I've been pepper sprayed and I couldn't see a damn thing. If I was waving a pistol around, it would not have been hard for someone to take it from me. Who said anything about waving?

Sure I could fire on that person- what if it's LEO? Who said anything about discharging randomly?????????

What if it's someone not trying to get my gun, but pull me to safety ? Kinda flunked the 'Good First Impression' test by trashing the rig and macing the driver.


As chemical irritants are the primary non lethal method of crowd dispersal, how would you argue your life was in imminent danger ? You must have seen SOMEONE beaten in the street in the last year, so I am not too sure you are serious here. If you are, then all I am gonna say is if you think that crowd was there for a car wash more power to ya!