Running to "Red" States - a Good Idea?

[NW Backpacker]

Wyoming is WAY more red than any other state. It's not even close. Sadly.

Wyoming:
In the 2018 election for Wyoming US House of Representative, the breakdown was:
Liz Cheney (R) - 63.6% - 127,830 votes (incumbent)
Greg Hunter(D)- 29.8% - 59,876 votes
Libertarians - 3.4% - 6911 votes
Constitution - 3.0 % - 6063 votes
Write-ins 0.2% - 391 votes
Source:
United States House of Representatives election in Wyoming, 2018 - Ballotpedia

Greg Hunter, the D candidate, was for open borders and gun control and he still got 29.8%! In Wyoming!
Greg's Priorities – Hunter for Wyoming

6.6% of Wyoming voters did not comprehend that we have a 2 party, winner-takes-all system. Sad.

The good news is the state government:
Senate: 27 R, 3 D
House: 51 R, 9 D
Source: Wyoming Legislature - Wikipedia
That's AWESOME!

Wyoming Governor race 2018: R (67%), D (28%)
Source: Wyoming gubernatorial election, 2018 - Ballotpedia
Not bad, should be better in Wyoming.

Idaho:
2018 Governor election: R (60%), D (38%)
Source: Idaho gubernatorial election, 2018 - Ballotpedia
60% to 38% - not great, but it will do.
Legislature:
Senate 29 R, 6 D
House 59 R, 11 D
Source: Idaho State Legislature - Ballotpedia
Fairly safe for now.
More on Idaho legislature FYI:
Idaho Legislature - Wikipedia

North Dakota:
2016 Governor election: R (76.52%), D (19.39%)
Source: North Dakota gubernatorial election, 2016 - Ballotpedia
Legislature:
Senate 38 R, 9D
House 80 R, 13 D, 1 vacancy
Source: North Dakota Legislative Assembly - Ballotpedia
Looks good! Bring your down coat and bunny boots!

 

[uberguy]

I don't believe the available data supports blue progressives, or many classic democrats taking over red states. They can't afford to relocate, in large numbers.
I say we (gun-owner/conservatives) should look at relocating to purple states.

Post election polling, census and IRS tax info, all show democrats with super majorities of people earning under $15,000 yearly (63/64%), people earning under $30,000 (60%+) and people earning under $50,000 (50%+).
Over $50k, republicans have a plurality or majority of voters.
Even ultra blue Seattle / King County with a 3:1 or 4:1 ration of democrats vs. republicans matches the national profile ...
A city of riches? Most Seattle filers make less than $50,000
"In an unprecedented analysis of IRS data, a local public-policy think tank determined that 51 percent of Seattle tax filers reported income of less than $50,000. And more than half of those folks make less than $25,000."

 

[E4mafia]

Divide and conquer

Supposedly blue states or so i keep seeing and hearing subsidize red states. On the flip side, red states supply and feed blue states.

 

[slimmer13]

CDA kinda got knocked low on our list, as our plans at this juncture is to try relocating along with my father and his family. He has big concerns about CDA due to its proximity of white power spewing Aryans. My father's wife is a *legal* Mexican immigrant, and I have two siblings that are are half white, half hispanic. He said he wouldn't feel safe for them.

The AN hasn't been there in years. CDA is more hipster yuppy these days. Although going along with the OP, it has seen a huge influx of Californians and west siders in recent years

 

[L84Cabo]

I think you could make cases either way for staying or moving. What I think is more important is that regardless of where you live...or decide to move to...we all continue to fight for gun rights across the board.

It should be apparent to everyone at this point that no place is 100% safe. Liberalism is a disease that spreads like cancer so don't think that your red state home can't go blue.

We should ALL be concerned about places like California and New York. One only has to look at what has happened to neighboring states like Oregon, Washington and Nevada to see how the disease is capable of spreading. Heck even Texas has a lot of Liberal Californians moving in.

This is all part of the disease of liberalism. It turns once productive places into crap holes. And then liberals themselves flee because they ultimately don't like the high taxes and regulations either. But most of them are too damn stupid to connect those problems with the way they voted. So they move to their new state and then continue to vote and think the same way that doomed their previous state.

Live and move where you want but stay in the fight and do what you can for the cause and to help our brothers behind enemy lines!

No man is free until we all are!

WOLVERINES!!

 

[CoastRange57]

For those of us who have but a few years left on this rock, I believe that we have earned a peaceful rest, we've been in the shiit for more than those here are old...
Just don't count us out if it does come to blows, us old guys don't like azzhats pushin us around and we would love nothing more than sittin on a hill pickin off them blue hats or whoever.

This here is exactly what the majority of us should be looking at. While those who can relocate to those red states are doing the right thing, some of us have to modify what we can actually do. The area I grew up in (Forest Grove) is rapidly becoming the metro area. The people coming in are not the types I want to be around, these areas are fast becoming Californicated in a big way. Getting away from Portland and the tri county area around it is the best thing we can do.

We are leaving this area next spring and moving to Central Oregon to our hilltop in Crooked River Ranch. Building a new house and shop, we will be close to three of our kids and 2 and more to come grand kids. I would love not to be in Oregon and be subject to the tyrants rule of Korrupt Kate and her super majority Legislature and all the crazy azz stuff they come up with.

As my brother the Caveman points out, those of us who have less than 30 years to be on this earth, moving states away from family in not an option.But also, I will not roll over and let the libs take my life away. The older I get, the more of a smart azz I get to be, the more easily I find it to tell people to go f up a rope, the less tolerant of any level of bullsh*t I become. My mission from here on out is to teach my grandkids how to survive, how to shoot, how to live off the land and how to work hard. Also to live how I want to with out interference from people telling me what and how to do something. I don't take counter instruction well at my age.

Now for 3 of my grand kids, those summer weeks at our place will have to fill that role, since there lives are normally filled with sports and electronic devices. They will become tractor drivers, they will learn construction skills, they will become proficient shooters.

That is about the only way I can contribute to the war on the moral decay that liberalism is infecting our society with. Well other than picking off blue hats should they come for my stuff. They may get me eventually, but they will need a shovel to move the spent brass away.

 

[Caveman Jim]

This here is exactly what the majority of us should be looking at. While those who can relocate to those red states are doing the right thing, some of us have to modify what we can actually do. The area I grew up in (Forest Grove) is rapidly becoming the metro area. The people coming in are not the types I want to be around, these areas are fast becoming Californicated in a big way. Getting away from Portland and the tri county area around it is the best thing we can do.

We are leaving this area next spring and moving to Central Oregon to our hilltop in Crooked River Ranch. Building a new house and shop, we will be close to three of our kids and 2 and more to come grand kids. I would love not to be in Oregon and be subject to the tyrants rule of Korrupt Kate and her super majority Legislature and all the crazy azz stuff they come up with.

As my brother the Caveman points out, those of us who have less than 30 years to be on this earth, moving states away from family in not an option.But also, I will not roll over and let the libs take my life away. The older I get, the more of a smart azz I get to be, the more easily I find it to tell people to go f up a rope, the less tolerant of any level of bullsh*t I become. My mission from here on out is to teach my grandkids how to survive, how to shoot, how to live off the land and how to work hard. Also to live how I want to with out interference from people telling me what and how to do something. I don't take counter instruction well at my age.

Now for 3 of my grand kids, those summer weeks at our place will have to fill that role, since there lives are normally filled with sports and electronic devices. They will become tractor drivers, they will learn construction skills, they will become proficient shooters.

That is about the only way I can contribute to the war on the moral decay that liberalism is infecting our society with. Well other than picking off blue hats should they come for my stuff. They may get me eventually, but they will need a shovel to move the spent brass away.

Well said brother.

 

[WoodsPlinker]

I think we all have our limits. I'm here to stay and help fight, for now. I also don't have kids though, I know a lot that don't want their kids to go through the progressive classroom. There is some scary stuff going on in the schools now, I've heard a lot of locals have left for that reason alone.

But because we don't have kids, and very few attachments, we do look at places and wonder if the grass would be greener.

For now I'm hoping more guys like you move to second amendment sanctuary counties like mine.

We almost didnt pass that sanctuary measure and that freaks me out a little. Plus I like hearing the gunfire in the mountains. Especially when it goes binary.

Puts a smile on my face whenever I hear them shooting.

Some of the neighbors find it a little annoying, I personally love the sound of freedom.... And try to join them as time and money allows.

But having a wide open space to shoot longer range on a larger property is a dream of ours.

 

[CoastRange57]

Scappoose...it is coming your way too, faster than you think.

 

[WoodsPlinker]

Scappoose...it is coming your way too, faster than you think.

We are a ways outside of scappoose, but it's the closest city. But yeah I hear ya, lot of city folk moving out farther.

Plenty of land north and west of us though.... Trick is staying far enough away from people, which is a constant battle.

 

[American123]

All you have to do to see how the future will go is look at the birthing rates. Uneducated, poor people who are too ignorant not to vote blue out reproduce educated, middle class and up who sometimes are educated enough to vote red, by a rate of multiple times.

The simple fact is, if we looked at this in terms of armies, they make more solidiers faster than we do, since we all get 1 vote (unless you're a dead person voting for democrats) whoever controls the masses, controls the political stage. The left has done a great job of deceiving the people who reproduce the most, to vote for them.

There will come a time when talking and politics are no longer an effective means of protecting constitutional rights, Hell, it's barely an effective method as it is currently.

 

[leadcounsel]

Another consideration - which may make all this relatively moot. The "glass half empty" view is that all of this political angst will likely take a back seat to the real pressing issue: Unsustainable national debt currently at $22 trillion and unfunded liabilities at $115 trillion. U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

The actual debt works out to something like $178,000 per tax payer right now, and growing with no end in sight. That's over $1,100,000 owed in unfunded liabilities per tax payer.

This is entirely unsustainable, and will probably cause major upheaval long before any other current issue. I have no prediction on 'when' but good grief, how much more debt can we incur before it comes to a head? We're adding $1 trillion per year in "normal" times now. We added $10 trillion (doubling our historic debt) under Obama. At some point, credit ends and printing money only devalues it faster. I'm going to estimate 5-10 years. In 10 years, we'll have at LEAST $32 trillion in debt, assuming status quo and no reductions or vast increases. Sprinkling in another war and we might easily hit $50 trillion. So, double each tax payer liability. We are at insane numbers folks.

The only way out is to cut spending vastly, and soar taxes. Since social welfare is 1/2 our budget I see drastic desperate cuts in social welfare to enable the nation to survive. That will cause vast problems, deep and far. Folks will be literally starving and desperate when all their social welfare is axed. Those metro areas with heavy dependent concentrations will be toxic.

So if you're going to "move" somewhere, I'd probably suggest somewhere self-sustaining and start immediately trying to get as independent and off-the-grid as possible. So for instance if you must be in OR or WA move east where growing seasons are excellent and away from metro areas.

As a mostly white collar guy, I'm radically altering my future and wanting to get some land and self sufficiency as fast as possible (while also getting to a red pro-gun state where I have more friends than leftists enemies).

 

[Oregonhunter5]

You wanna know why liberalism is spreading and winning? Cause people are getting more lazy. The lazier they get, the more handouts the need to survive. Nobody really wants less freedom. But they desire to eat and watch tv outweighs everything for many. Versus in my World if I was president, the ones that sit around and do nothing would have that right all day long. But no help at all. Can't vote. And you also lose your SS number. In effect, your worthless.

 

[PaulB47]

It's been tried before (e.g. Free State Project). I did it myself, moving to Wyoming, but I'm back in the PNW. I no longer advocate this, with a possible exception of families with small children, if the parents have a job set up.

People don't move much, and usually wait until its too late. Folks in the state you are going to do not like strangers coming in (usually Californians).

Keep your focus local and small. Don't worry about the laws that are passed; just learn to ignore them. Dumb laws are passed in "red" states too. My standard joke in Wyoming was, "It's not socialism when we do it."

Consider the alternative, of moving to a small town in the state you are already in, outside of commute range from the big cities. I don't like the idea of going completely out in the boonies; that is way too vulnerable if any goons ever find you. Small towns are the best. People need other people to survive.

 

[Geardo]

f. They may get me eventually, but they will need a shovel to move the spent brass away.

So say we all. Almost had to wipe a to tear away at that poetry

 

[waglockfan]

I had considered Texas. I am reconsidering that move and am pretty dand sure I am going to Wyoming.

Wyoming:
In the 2018 election for Wyoming US House of Representative, the breakdown was:
Liz Cheney (R) - 63.6% - 127,830 votes (incumbent)
Greg Hunter(D)- 29.8% - 59,876 votes
Libertarians - 3.4% - 6911 votes
Constitution - 3.0 % - 6063 votes
Write-ins 0.2% - 391 votes
Source:
United States House of Representatives election in Wyoming, 2018 - Ballotpedia

Greg Hunter, the D candidate, was for open borders and gun control and he still got 29.8%! In Wyoming!
Greg's Priorities – Hunter for Wyoming

6.6% of Wyoming voters did not comprehend that we have a 2 party, winner-takes-all system. Sad.

The good news is the state government:
Senate: 27 R, 3 D
House: 51 R, 9 D
Source: Wyoming Legislature - Wikipedia
That's AWESOME!

Wyoming Governor race 2018: R (67%), D (28%)
Source: Wyoming gubernatorial election, 2018 - Ballotpedia
Not bad, should be better in Wyoming.

Idaho:
2018 Governor election: R (60%), D (38%)
Source: Idaho gubernatorial election, 2018 - Ballotpedia
60% to 38% - not great, but it will do.
Legislature:
Senate 29 R, 6 D
House 59 R, 11 D
Source: Idaho State Legislature - Ballotpedia
Fairly safe for now.
More on Idaho legislature FYI:
Idaho Legislature - Wikipedia

North Dakota:
2016 Governor election: R (76.52%), D (19.39%)
Source: North Dakota gubernatorial election, 2016 - Ballotpedia
Legislature:
Senate 38 R, 9D
House 80 R, 13 D, 1 vacancy
Source: North Dakota Legislative Assembly - Ballotpedia
Looks good! Bring your down coat and bunny boots!

 

[leadcounsel]

I'm looking pretty hard at a long-term move, and in the running are AZ, UT, WY, OK, TX, and ID. Each has significant pros and not many cons. My real concern about AZ and TX is they are nearly purple and moving there might mean another move again in a few years to flee that state. The border issue and immigration can be a real potential problem too in the near future. And AZ and TX have drought issues or vulnerability. Other states are mostly positive, some negatives. But if I could magically transport I would escape the PNW. It's going to take a lot of work, time, and money unfortunately - making all of us direct victims of liberalism leftist locusts.

 

[IOM]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, no more moving, that is nothing more then another delaying technique.

The "Progressive Left" will continue their locust like devouring of our rights, it's time to stand and go no further...

I'm like many others here, getting older and making decisions as to locations and what is best, I'm now at the point I will go no further and waste more monetary resources. I will now stand my ground and do what is humanly possible.

Nuff said...

 

[leadcounsel]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, no more moving, that is nothing more then another delaying technique.

The "Progressive Left" will continue their locust like devouring of our rights, it's time to stand and go no further...

I'm like many others here, getting older and making decisions as to locations and what is best, I'm now at the point I will go no further and waste more monetary resources. I will now stand my ground and do what is humanly possible.

Nuff said...

Out of curiosity, what does making a stand look like or accomplish? In real terms? Problem is "making a stand" should really just look like going door-to-door to get the 50% of apathetic voters to look up from their smart phones long enough to vote to preserve freedom. Sadly, "making a stand" in today's climate will be a 10 second news report between sports and weather making you look like a lunatic gun owner, add fuel to the anti-gun arguments to strip more gun rights from gun owners, and your sacrifice will literally do nothing.

Our founders couldn't beat Britain in Britain. So they fled to a new home and organized and regrouped. Those who stayed behind suffered. As did their ancestors.

Where there is indeed greener pastures 500 miles away, moving makes the most sense and is far "less expensive" than making a stand. And unlike here where your vote is meaningless and drowned out, your vote has strength in a red state to preserve it as a red state. The Californians who have "made a stand" for 2 decades have done nothing but bend over and live under tyranny.

 

[Geardo]

That is an interesting notion you have there.
Perhaps a gander at how the "Deep South" of the US lost the century-long stranglehold of Southern Democrats to the Republicans in the 1990s towards current should have you rethink that statement?

Maybe, just maybe...it ain't the minorities voting "overwhelmingly blue"...I mean, African-Americans make up 1.9% of Oregon's population, with "2 or more races" making up 4% or so, and Oregon is at last census, 85% white. (meaning 15%, not white, or two races). Someone on another forum said that maybe we do need a massive injection of Red State minorities from Alabama, Mississippi, Missouri, and other Gulf States into Oregon to balance out the white leftists bloc? My only problem is...jobs? Are there good jobs out in Oregon that would attract skilled tradespeople from the Gulf States? I seem to recall something about Oregon trying to prevent "off shore drilling" even though none of the big Oil companies are developing or planning to drill off the coast in Oregon/Washington

Here are the charts I was looking for.
https://files.catbox.moe/v0tjuc.jpg