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Minnesota is pretty blue. IIRC they voted dems this go round, and Al Franken is one of their senators. Great outdoor opportunities, but lots of goof balls.

Buddy of mine from college was from Minnesota and loved being out West. You've all heard the joke about filing the sights of your pistol in bear country? He had similar things to say about their mosquitos.
 
It is just a matter of time before the cancer has spread to consume the whole body.
Schools and Universities are spitting out Socialist indoctrinated SJW's in record numbers. We have unchecked treasonous political behavior at what appears to be local, state and federal levels.
Unfortunately I believe the dream of America is dying and soon to be gone, UNLESS we muster up the courage and unite to fight those who have set sight on our destruction.
Soap box is under attack, ballot box has been corrupted. Strange times ahead...
 
It is just a matter of time before the cancer has spread to consume the whole body.
Schools and Universities are spitting out Socialist indoctrinated SJW's in record numbers. We have unchecked treasonous political behavior at what appears to be local, state and federal levels.
Unfortunately I believe the dream of America is dying and soon to be gone, UNLESS we muster up the courage and unite to fight those who have set sight on our destruction.
Soap box is under attack, ballot box has been corrupted. Strange times ahead...

It's time for Pro 2A people to make a decision as to where their loyalties lie, bubblegum or get off the pot.
 
Minorites vote overwhelmingly blue. Pro gun control, pro welfare, etc.

That is an interesting notion you have there.
Perhaps a gander at how the "Deep South" of the US lost the century-long stranglehold of Southern Democrats to the Republicans in the 1990s towards current should have you rethink that statement? :rolleyes:

Maybe, just maybe...it ain't the minorities voting "overwhelmingly blue"...I mean, African-Americans make up 1.9% of Oregon's population, with "2 or more races" making up 4% or so, and Oregon is at last census, 85% white. (meaning 15%, not white, or two races). Someone on another forum said that maybe we do need a massive injection of Red State minorities from Alabama, Mississippi, Missouri, and other Gulf States into Oregon to balance out the white leftists bloc? :cool: My only problem is...jobs? Are there good jobs out in Oregon that would attract skilled tradespeople from the Gulf States? I seem to recall something about Oregon trying to prevent "off shore drilling" even though none of the big Oil companies are developing or planning to drill off the coast in Oregon/Washington :rolleyes:
 
That is an interesting notion you have there.
Perhaps a gander at how the "Deep South" of the US lost the century-long stranglehold of Southern Democrats to the Republicans in the 1990s towards current should have you rethink that statement? :rolleyes:

Maybe, just maybe...it ain't the minorities voting "overwhelmingly blue"...I mean, African-Americans make up 1.9% of Oregon's population, with "2 or more races" making up 4% or so, and Oregon is at last census, 85% white. (meaning 15%, not white, or two races). Someone on another forum said that maybe we do need a massive injection of Red State minorities from Alabama, Mississippi, Missouri, and other Gulf States into Oregon to balance out the white leftists bloc? :cool: My only problem is...jobs? Are there good jobs out in Oregon that would attract skilled tradespeople from the Gulf States? I seem to recall something about Oregon trying to prevent "off shore drilling" even though none of the big Oil companies are developing or planning to drill off the coast in Oregon/Washington :rolleyes:

I have seen quite a few "Southerners" on different forums that have come to the PNW (I'm one of em back in the mid 80's) and I haven't left.... yet. :oops:
I came out this way for the big bucks ($$$).;) Right to work states have lower wages so people tend to follow the money.:cool:
 
Run. Run away to find your solace in the remaining few states that make you feel all warm and fuzzy in. Could that be the "master plan"? Herd all the pro-2A folks to a few states. Then an "accidental tactical nuclear event" takes place. Hmmmmm, nah I think we are stronger the more we are spread out. Comply if you must, and if so add yourself to the list of "sheep" that .gov is counting on.


Me? I'm right here. This is, afterall, the land of the free and the home of the brave. Not the land of the sheep and the home of the wolves.
 
Run. Run away to find your solace in the remaining few states that make you feel all warm and fuzzy in. Could that be the "master plan"? Herd all the pro-2A folks to a few states. Then an "accidental tactical nuclear event" takes place. Hmmmmm, nah I think we are stronger the more we are spread out. Comply if you must, and if so add yourself to the list of "sheep" that .gov is counting on.


Me? I'm right here. This is, afterall, the land of the free and the home of the brave. Not the land of the sheep and the home of the wolves.

For those of us who have but a few years left on this rock, I believe that we have earned a peaceful rest, we've been in the shiit for more than those here are old...
Just don't count us out if it does come to blows, us old guys don't like azzhats pushin us around and we would love nothing more than sittin on a hill pickin off them blue hats or whoever.;)
 
This situation is so hard and frustrating. The liberals have taken huge parts of America and turned them into areas that conservative gun owners like myself simply detest. See, the liberals have an advantage in that they move into normal America and then turn it into their hellscape Eutopias. They aren't living in fear of prosecution for gun laws, for instance.

As a gun owner, in California, or New York, or Illinois, for instance, it is insufferable. So we have to flee or face prosecution. So how do you "fight" prosecution? Or persecution? You either bury your guns away and never use them, or you are arrested, prosecuted, and hit with a felony/felonies, and lose your rights, are bankrupted, and go to prison.

I agree with the idea and concept that liberals are now focused on taking each state one-at-a-time. In the last 10 years they've taken Colorado, Oregon, Nevada, Washington, and are threatening Wyoming, Idaho, Arizona, Texas, and others. So, moving is just delaying for some time to hope some sanity hits and the SCOTUS locks down these stupid laws. Moving is extremely interrupting and expensive. And it is - in a sense - giving up and fleeing.

Our forefathers fled oppression that they couldn't defeat. I'm hopeful that with ~50% of voting age Americans still on the sidelines that they will soon wake up and vote these morons down. But so far, they are apathetic.

I don't have the answers. I'm strongly debating moving from the PNW since it's essentially fallen to the lunatic left locusts. Anti-gun, pro-drug, socialist, pro-sanctuary city for illegals, etc. It's maddening.
 
That is an interesting notion you have there.
Perhaps a gander at how the "Deep South" of the US lost the century-long stranglehold of Southern Democrats to the Republicans in the 1990s towards current should have you rethink that statement? :rolleyes:

Maybe, just maybe...it ain't the minorities voting "overwhelmingly blue"...I mean, African-Americans make up 1.9% of Oregon's population, with "2 or more races" making up 4% or so, and Oregon is at last census, 85% white. (meaning 15%, not white, or two races). Someone on another forum said that maybe we do need a massive injection of Red State minorities from Alabama, Mississippi, Missouri, and other Gulf States into Oregon to balance out the white leftists bloc? :cool: My only problem is...jobs? Are there good jobs out in Oregon that would attract skilled tradespeople from the Gulf States? I seem to recall something about Oregon trying to prevent "off shore drilling" even though none of the big Oil companies are developing or planning to drill off the coast in Oregon/Washington :rolleyes:


I can't find the really obvious chart, but yes. POC are basically a garenteed blue vote, and then they just need 30% of white people's vote to win. Search around. This is a well known fact.

What Would It Take To Flip States In The 2016 Election?
 
I'm on the verge of what I think is best described as a tactical retreat and regrouping to a equally good but currently solidly red state. Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma all look good to me. If I can "buy" 20 years, I'm okay with that. By then, hopefully this all gets sorted out peacefully. Hopefully there is a return to sanity, the SCOTUS and GOP have fixed the issue, or we have bigger problems.

The thing is, in blue states, a red vote is meaningless - spitting into the ocean. However a red state can use red votes to keep it red. Further, look at a gun owner in California. They have been outvoted in every election for 2 decades and watched their gun rights erode with increasing speed. Powerless. What "fight" do they have but turmoil, frustration, and risk of arrest/prosecution while being disarmed daily? Not might "fight" going on in California. Just a lot of hand-wringing and frustration and surrender. Thing is, they (and other states) residents simply bend over and accept it, or leave. Neither is "fighting." Also, where do you want to raise you family? In a state that criminalizes gun rights, prevents your 18 year old from guns, requires background checks, etc?? So all things equal, it would seem a tactical retreat and regroup is smarter and frankly healthier for your sanity.

The other big pushes for leftists is illegal voting (denial of voter ID laws), and obstructing a a southern wall and immigrant control. Illegal voting and immigrants are their large voting block of millions and millions of votes and that's why they are so interested in that pool of people coming here. It's a massive impoverished low-information vote that will exchange votes for promises of welfare. Voter fraud control and closing illegal immigrants and building a wall are the key to success. The Dems know that if they can flood AZ and TX with illegals who vote, the GOP will never win another POTUS election.

I want peace and tranquility. As a combat vet, I don't want to see a shooting war. It's frustrating that so many voters, about 1/2, are so apathetic and don't see what is coming. If one stays in a blue state, they MUST get voters voting against the leftist INSANITY. I was optimistic in 2012, 2014, 2016, and 2018. I've been let down more than not...

I think our collective BEST hope is that the GOP and DOJ get involved to sue against leftist gun control laws in violation of the 2A and Heller/McDonald, and/or the SCOTUS grants cert on some gun control and shuts it down. That would restore a LOT of sanity to the nation. The SAF/NRA have sued on Washington's I1639. I think it's plainly illegal and unConstitutional and I'm optimistic it gets tossed. We shall see, but it will determine my zip code fate.
 
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@Taco_lean ; correct me if I'm wrong but how did the Deep South, after a century of being Blue, turn Red in the span of only 25 years ? It cannot be explained as "the POC reliably voted Blue" if the Deep South, being where the highest concentration of POC is... has gone Red and stayed Red ever since?

And again, I dont see how utilizing POC in Oregon will help keep it Blue when its clear they are nowhere the numbers needed... again, 85% white in Oregon. And if its true that the Leftists have 10% more registered voters than the Republicans in Oregon... really, its that number. We would need at least 30% more Red voters to move into Oregon, accounting for apathy :oops::confused:. But it does seem like the Salem Cabal are going every which way to make it nearly impossible for small businesses to stay in Oregon, and for American big businesses to move into Oregon, compared to any other State :rolleyes:
 
So, another part of the leftist game plan is as follows.

1. They need low-information welfare dependent voters.
2. Leftists tend to be an elite wealthy class

Their game plan is to drive out most middle class and create a wealthy urbanite class, and low information poverty voting block that they can control with handouts and welfare.
 
So, another part of the leftist game plan is as follows.

1. They need low-information welfare dependent voters.
yeah.. migrants, felons, convicts, students.

2. Leftists tend to be an elite wealthy class
Yup, plantation owners.:oops:
Their game plan is to drive out most middle class and create a wealthy urbanite class,
a huge reason for their attempts to make Portland and Seattle into Mid and North Silicon Valley tech super industries..

and low information poverty voting block that they can control with handouts and welfare.
And there it is. The reason they killed off most of the timber industry Oregon, and are trying to kill the offshore commercial fishing industry and trying to prevent the setting up of offshore oil industries.
 
To move, or not to move: that is the question.

In the near future Oregonians should know what tyranny Kate will pass to punish law-abiding patriotic 2A supporters. If you can put up with the new laws, perhaps stay; if you can't tolerate them, leave if you can you lucky dogs! :) I doubt this "problem" will be solved at the ballot box.

Scroll about 1/2 way down this very long page before you can start to see states that are better for gun owners:
Best States for Gun Owners (2018) - Guns and Ammo
 
I was born and raised in Orygun. It wasn't always like this - it was indeed fairly conservative in many ways, especially with regards to gun rights (I used to think it was a haven).

1) It is more about urban v. rural, it is that way across the USA. Population density. Urban and suburban areas breed more dependent people for on thing - they get used to the services/etc. There is also more socializing so attitudes and opinions spread easier and the liberal mindset becomes more prevalent via peer pressure. It is just human nature. The world and the US are becoming more urban over time - in another decade or two, 90% of the population will be urban.

2) We have more polarization of views and politics and that feeds on itself. The left sees the right as a bunch of inflexible, uneducated backward thinking trailer park trash. The right sees the left as a bunch of vegan socialists living in their parents basements. The truth is that there are a lot more people in between those extremes than either side acknowledges, but with urbanization we are moving to the left as a whole.

I am not sure what I am going to do long term. My plan was to come back to Orygun and setup something self-sufficient in a rural area. I've been thru Idaho and Montana and I like those areas in the spring and summer, but at my age and with my health, they are just too cold in the winter.

I have thought about declaring residency in S. Dakota to hide my guns there (get them off the books), but I am not sure how much good that will do when I spend the summers here - it depends on the future in Salem/Portland and that future doesn't look good. I would prefer to spend spring and summer and fall on the west coast, but Orygun is slowly following CA and WA state with regards to guns. I will just have to wait and see I guess.
 
I was born and raised in Orygun. It wasn't always like this - it was indeed fairly conservative in many ways, especially with regards to gun rights (I used to think it was a haven).

1) It is more about urban v. rural, it is that way across the USA. Population density. Urban and suburban areas breed more dependent people for on thing - they get used to the services/etc. There is also more socializing so attitudes and opinions spread easier and the liberal mindset becomes more prevalent via peer pressure. It is just human nature. The world and the US are becoming more urban over time - in another decade or two, 90% of the population will be urban.

2) We have more polarization of views and politics and that feeds on itself. The left sees the right as a bunch of inflexible, uneducated backward thinking trailer park trash. The right sees the left as a bunch of vegan socialists living in their parents basements. The truth is that there are a lot more people in between those extremes than either side acknowledges, but with urbanization we are moving to the left as a whole.

I am not sure what I am going to do long term. My plan was to come back to Orygun and setup something self-sufficient in a rural area. I've been thru Idaho and Montana and I like those areas in the spring and summer, but at my age and with my health, they are just too cold in the winter.

I have thought about declaring residency in S. Dakota to hide my guns there (get them off the books), but I am not sure how much good that will do when I spend the summers here - it depends on the future in Salem/Portland and that future doesn't look good. I would prefer to spend spring and summer and fall on the west coast, but Orygun is slowly following CA and WA state with regards to guns. I will just have to wait and see I guess.

Check out St George, Utah. Warmer climate, tho drier ywar round. Mountains, reservoirs, a couple rivers and lots of creeks in the area. Its 2 hrs northeast of vegas, 300 miles south of Salt Lake, near the corners of Utah, Idaho, Nevada, and Arid-zona. Its topping our list of places to resettle right now. And funny enough, its the county seat of Washington County, Utah. :D St George "metro" area is only 150k residents, so its about the size of Hillsboro.

CDA kinda got knocked low on our list, as our plans at this juncture is to try relocating along with my father and his family. He has big concerns about CDA due to its proximity of white power spewing Aryans. My father's wife is a *legal* Mexican immigrant, and I have two siblings that are are half white, half hispanic. He said he wouldn't feel safe for them. :(

So Texas is still on the list tho he has expressed he'd like to live where there are 4 real seasons, not 3 iteration of summer plus essentially spring. I wouldn't mind the warm climes, but my near transluscent skinned bride is afraid she'll be burned constantly in the hot sunny Texas weather.

Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Tennessee are places we are considering too, but Utah is topping the list. Its still bright red, cost of living is reasonable, and its a place with 4 seasons, but not too extreme in either direction depending where you are in the state.
 
A lot of this boils down to sex, specifically unprotected sex. Look at the birth rate for the groups who tend to vote for welfare and big government. Even if those parents can't legally vote their children will grow up and vote. Compare that to the birth rate for people who pay taxes and don't have more children than they can afford from their own income (and often on top of their own student loans). Us low-tax, personal responsibility types need to have more children overall in order to avoid the voting population in 2030 being 75% liberal.
 

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