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It appears TDS is more important to some than gun rights or the 2A.
It follows all the way down the ballot with a lot of people who should know better and its sad to watch. Last couple races for Governor here we saw the same thing. Both times we had a FAR better choice who a LOT of gun owners set out to smear at every chance they had. Saying they were not good enough. Great, hope they enjoy what they got instead :(.
 
I feel the political side one takes are like sports teams a person likes. A person can prefer one person or team over another, without approving of everything they do or don't do.
 
Well...nice.
However...I am still in the , I'll wait to see if this all pans out , camp.
Been burned too long by far too many of my so called representatives to be rejoicing ...yet.
Andy

Edit to add :

Before anyone takes me to task for my above statement...
No I did not vote for Harris...and I am glad she did not win...we would be far worse off for 2nd Amendment issues under her.

With that said....
I haven't voted for anyone who I liked and trusted for president , since the Perot / Stockdale ticket of 1992.
While I have always voted , any vote since then has simply been a vote against the "other guy " ...or against the worse choice of two bad choices.
Ditto

I will believe that something positive has taken place when the ATF is defunded - e.g., when DOGE kids walk in and basically shut them down. Even then, the FBI could easily take over enforcing the laws on the books - that might be even worse than the ATF.

Congress needs to repeal many of the laws regarding firearms. A good start would be to pass the HPA or something like it.
 
I feel the political side one takes are like sports teams a person likes. A person can prefer one person or team over another, without approving of everything they do or don't do.
The difference is the sports teams don't have the ability to change my life. Law makers do. One of the famous excuses used by many gun owners is "I am not a single issue voter". This translates to "I vote for the people who are hosing us". EVERY anti gun law makers is also anti rights. If they have a problem with people owning guns they ALWAYS have a problem with people being able to make their own choices.
 
It follows all the way down the ballot with a lot of people who should know better and its sad to watch. Last couple races for Governor here we saw the same thing. Both times we had a FAR better choice who a LOT of gun owners set out to smear at every chance they had. Saying they were not good enough. Great, hope they enjoy what they got instead :(.
I think most gun rights supporters who don't like Trump have fallen for media propaganda. Ive struggled with this but have changed my mind. After Trumps 1st administration I swore I wouldn't vote for him but at the same time I started "fact checking" the claims of racism and fascism and not only are they not there they are lies. The media called him racist over "very fine people" speech was was a literal fabricated lie, even the biased fact checkers had to own up to that (funny how they waited years after to do so). They lied about him saying he wanted to be a dictator because he joked on day 1 he was going to close the border. J6 protests was an "insurrection". When the media is actively falsely smearing political candidates the countries in trouble. It blows my mind how these media lies are out there exposed now and people brush them off like its not a real issue.

One of the famous excuses used by many gun owners is "I am not a single issue voter". This translates to "I vote for the people who are hosing us". EVERY anti gun law makers is also anti rights. If they have a problem with people owning guns they ALWAYS have a problem with people being able to make their own choices.

I don't expect everyone to like his policies but do not understand how those that put other political topics above gun rights do not see how those policies contribute to less freedom including gun rights. The idea of a socialist state with gun rights is a fallacy and as you famously state they literally are getting what they vote for and still continue to vote against their gun rights.
 
The difference is the sports teams don't have the ability to change my life. Law makers do. One of the famous excuses used by many gun owners is "I am not a single issue voter". This translates to "I vote for the people who are hosing us". EVERY anti gun law makers is also anti rights. If they have a problem with people owning guns they ALWAYS have a problem with people being able to make their own choices.
The are very few, maybe zero, lawmakers who aren't anti-gun in one way or another.
Best a person can do is vote for whichever candidate is the least anti-gun.
 
The are very few, maybe zero, lawmakers who aren't anti-gun in one way or another.
Best a person can do is vote for whichever candidate is the least anti-gun.
Every election it comes down to a choice of 2 who can win. One will always be better. NONE will ever be perfect. If we could get gun owners to vote for the better one each time we could slowly get better and better people. Instead what we get is the worst one of the two. The voters using the I am not a single issue voter excuse are voting for the worst one and making excuses for why they do so.
 
Ditto

I will believe that something positive has taken place when the ATF is defunded - e.g., when DOGE kids walk in and basically shut them down. Even then, the FBI could easily take over enforcing the laws on the books - that might be even worse than the ATF.

Congress needs to repeal many of the laws regarding firearms. A good start would be to pass the HPA or something like it.

There's this. I have a thread on it
 
The are very few, maybe zero, lawmakers who aren't anti-gun in one way or another.
Best a person can do is vote for whichever candidate is the least anti-gun.
I agree that nobody is perfect, but the problem with this is its not an excuse in itself to vote for candidates that actively campaign to remove their gun rights. I fully understand not everyone likes Trump, Republicans etc. but if someone has other topics they feel are more important than gun rights then they should stop claiming they support gun rights. Tell us they like shooting owning guns, fine and respectable but don't tell us they support gun rights if they vote for candidates that want to ban owning guns and ban carrying guns.
 
I agree that nobody is perfect, but the problem with this is its not an excuse in itself to vote for candidates that actively campaign to remove their gun rights. I fully understand not everyone likes Trump, Republicans etc. but if someone has other topics they feel are more important than gun rights then they should stop claiming they support gun rights. Tell us they like shooting owning guns, fine and respectable but don't tell us they support gun rights if they vote for candidates that want to ban owning guns and ban carrying guns.
I agree with voting for the lesser of two evils when it comes to gun freedoms. I also think it is OK to criticize the person you vote for.
 
I can see this being the catalyst that abolishes the ATF as well as a handful of other unconstitutional federal laws like the GFSZ act and post office bans.
Abolishing the ATF does nothing. Everything they do just gets transferred to the FBI, who don't have a stellar reputation in refraining from constitutional infringements either.

NFA, GCA, Hughes & Brady all need to go away before any kind of agency deletion becomes meaningful.
 
I'm trying to find a point of contact for whoever is the lead in this investigation. If anyone has that, please pm me. And thank you.

My plan is to identify every anti-gun law that is in direct opposition to the Constitution and in direct violation of the USSC decision handed down on Bruen. There are many, and I've already started this.

I intend to forward this list to my states governor, AG, and whoever is in charge of the investigation that POTUS ordered.

I don't know if it would do any good or not. But as this forum has many members in every state, hopefully someone in each state will join me in doing the same.

I think a 50 state list of infringements from regular citizens would not only help the investigation, it would send a very clear message as well.

This post is not intended to be political in nature. But more of a statement of my intentions.
 
I'm trying to find a point of contact for whoever is the lead in this investigation. If anyone has that, please pm me. And thank you.

My plan is to identify every anti-gun law that is in direct opposition to the Constitution and in direct violation of the USSC decision handed down on Bruen. There are many, and I've already started this.

I intend to forward this list to my states governor, AG, and whoever is in charge of the investigation that POTUS ordered.

I don't know if it would do any good or not. But as this forum has many members in every state, hopefully someone in each state will join me in doing the same.

I think a 50 state list of infringements from regular citizens would not only help the investigation, it would send a very clear message as well.

This post is not intended to be political in nature. But more of a statement of my intentions.
I think that Oregon and Washington would be the low hanging fruit compared to states California, New York, and Illinois and might be the best places to start. Maybe reach out to Washington Gun Law because he probably already has that info and likely plugged in to what the DOJ is doing. This is the time for all of us to band together and act.
 
I agree with voting for the lesser of two evils when it comes to gun freedoms. I also think it is OK to criticize the person you vote for.
Of course it is. I LOVE the way Trump is doing things. Does NOT mean I would want the man to marry some family member of mine. The criticism is only a problem when people who have a choice of 2 use the excuse of the better one not being good enough to get their vote. So they end up supporting the worst one, who of course wins. Then those who voted for the worst one, by not voting, say "see I told you so". :confused: It is bizarre to watch them justify this to themselves.
 
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Oops, Koda already has a thread on this and I looked but missed it. @Moderators can you please merge this thread into


Thx and sorry I didn't see it.
 
Oops, Koda already has a thread on this and I looked but missed it. @Moderators can you please merge this thread into


Thx and sorry I didn't see it.
And here I was thinking you started this one because the other one turned into the totally predictable train wreck :s0114:
 
Oops, Koda already has a thread on this and I looked but missed it. @Moderators can you please merge this thread into


Thx and sorry I didn't see it.
Merged...
 

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