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Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by kev350, Apr 9, 2012.

  1. kev350

    kev350 Gresham , Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Whats a good powder for .45 acp

    Whats a good 223 AR powder?

    Thought I'd ask before buying and wasting money on a so so powder.

    Thanks
    Kevin
     
  2. BSV

    BSV Oregon City, OR Member

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    Winchester 231 for the .45.

    H335 for .223.

    These have worked well for my reloading.

    Brad
     
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  3. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    W231/Blue Dot/Red Dot for 45 (depending on what bullet/load)

    231 for generic 230 grain ball loads

    Blue Dot for screaming fast 185 grain hollowpoints

    Red Dot for cheap, dirty shooting lead bullet reloads

    W748/H335 for 5.56. I usually buy 748 because it is also excellent for 7.62 NATO loads and also 30-06
     
  4. nrc

    nrc Oregon Member

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    Lots of folks said WW231 for 45acp, its a good one. Also HS-6, or HS-7.

    223 as mentioned H335 is good. I've had excellent results with '10x' from Alliant.
     
  5. giddyupgo55

    giddyupgo55 Vernonia Active Member

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    For 45 I use Win 231 for 223 I like H335. I have also used IMR4320 for 223 with good results.
     
  6. Spadkarma

    Spadkarma South Lake Whatcom Member

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    I have used the WIN Auto-comp for the last year and a half, before that I used WIN Action Pistol (Discontinued) since '91.
    Too many choices for the 223. I like Varget for consistancy with 55fmjs, but sometimes need a drop tube to get the long kernels thru the small short neck. AA2015 for a 60gr VMAX Coyote bomb. RL15 for 69gr+ HPBT Match. I'm currently trying AR-Comp and CFE-223. I don't like the CFE-223 because it is a ball powder and I'm getting inconsistant speeds, but for some unknown reason good accuracy. The AR-Comp is very promising, short-cut extruded, good speed consistancy and the magic 25gr-3000fps in an 18" bbl.
     
  7. sneakboxer

    sneakboxer NW OR Active Member

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    223 Rem + 223 AI Cartridge Guide has a good bit of info on loading the 223. I have my first 223 on order i have been doing some reading. Best of luck and post what works for you.
     
  8. civilian75

    civilian75 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    i like Titegroup for 45ACP.

    For 223rem, depends on bullet weight. I like RL-15 and Varget for 75gr.
     
  9. Key-Hay

    Key-Hay North Carolina Active Member

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    Hey civilian75, What's your Titegroup recipe for 45ACP? I've been using Unique but since I've been doing mostly Cowboy Action, I've become very fond of Titegroup.

    I need to work up a batch for Wild Bunch and have to make power factor of 150. I have 200 LSWC's from Lasercast.
     
  10. civilian75

    civilian75 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    My 45ACp pet load: 5.0gr Titegroup under any bullet between 185gr and 230gr. Regardless of bullet weight, if plated or cast bullet, you will get around 850fps in a 5in bbl if seating to approx same OAL. With jacketed, about 50fps slower. Yeap, sounds crazy, but I've found it to be true.
     
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  11. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    Commercially, titegroup and HP-38 are the most popular for most auto pistol loads, so 9mm/40S&W/.45ACP are all loaded with great success with these two powders.

    For .223 H335/SMP735 are the most common commercial powder, however for retail reloaders the new hotness is that Hodgdon CFE-223. It's supposed to eliminate copper fouling, and is one of those powders that was originally an OEM only powder hornady was using and from what I've read it shows a lot of promise. Western's TAC is another good powder, and the old-standby of Varget is a good choice, but doesn't perform as well in .223 as it does in bigger cartridges.
     
  12. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    BTW with 62 grain steel core FMJ bullets I am getting sub MOA with W748/5.56 military brass loads in several AR15s and one of my mini 14s. Start at 24 grains and work up
     
  13. deadshot2

    deadshot2 NW Quadrant WA State Well-Known Member

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    I really like AA2230 for AR-15 loads. Burns cleaner in my AR's than H335. Also found it to be cheaper in some cases. Meters well and loads are consistent when chronographed. I usually buy it 32# at a time.

    There is a new powder that everyone is raving about. CFE 223 from Hodgdon is supposed to cut copper fouling tremendously in the .223 rounds. Haven't tried it yet but based on the "chatter", I'll probably try it on 1,000 rounds or so to give it a good evaluation.
     
  14. HappyRoman

    HappyRoman Sherwood Forest Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    5 grs redot, 230 lead or jacketed bullets +/- .2 grains check you load manuals

    24.5 grs Accurate 2230, same for x-terminator, or Accurate 2200.. loading 50-62 gr bullets
    just my econonical .o2c
     
  15. Throckmorton

    Throckmorton Florence,Ore ah gone Well-Known Member

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    I've been using Clays in my 1911 200 grain cast bullets.burns clean and sounds very consistant shot to shot.Have not chrono'ed it yet,but it 'sounds' good. works great in 45 colt loads too.
     
  16. IheartGUNS

    IheartGUNS WaCo Well-Known Member

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    Awesome thread! Thanks for the info guys.
     
  17. kev350

    kev350 Gresham , Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Hey thanks for all the great replies.
     
  18. noylj

    noylj high desert Active Member

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    "The" powder for .45ACP, whether military loadings or target/Bullseye shooting, has been Bullseye since about 1911.
    I get better accuracy with 231/HP38 or AA2. Never had much success accuracy-wise with any powder much faster than AA5, except HS7/571 (which is dead).
    I would think any one who is starting to reload any pistol, except certain BIG magnums, can't go wrong by starting with 231/HP38.
    .223 will depend somewhat on what bullet weight you will be shooting. I like H322 and BL-C(2), but many swear by H335.
     
  19. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Unique kinda does nothing very well.. there are better powders
     
  20. colt44

    colt44 La pine Member

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    If you are doing cowboy loading 45 try using clays ... I load 10 to 15 thousand a year and clays works clean and with low recoil at 5.0 grains in either 45acp or 45 LC...