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I've been doing some research on the history of Oregon state militias, and what exists today. It's been quite difficult to find non-inflammatory information on state militias. It seems most articles are politically skewed, and most websites are not updated regularly, and don't have much information.

I've been trying to find a well-organized militia, without a basis in radicalism and a focus on utilitarian training in med, aid, disaster relief, and small team defensive tactics. A couple years ago I interviewed a few different groups, and was pretty disappointed.

It seemed like most of the guys were hyper-focused on preparing for an armed conflict with police and national guard, and restoring our culture to the superior Anglo European values and demographics. (Actually what one of the dudes said to me)
Now don't get me wrong, I'm a patriot through and through. My political stance is probably between a constitutionalist and a classical liberal. But through my conversations with these guys, (and my time around more radical right wing dudes) It seems like a lot of people have built their political views around the idea that they're a revolutionary insurgent of some sort, and that the ultimate goal is to violently overthrow the government and restore the US to what it was 200 years ago.

As I've gotten older, I've definitely softened into more utilitarianism. And one of the things I've recognized is that radicalism is almost always met with counter-radicalism. As wildly we would like to go toward freedom and individual liberty, there is another who will see that stance and embolden their support of socialist based governance. It seems like subtle work is the most effective, and I don't see many people in the patriot community taking this to heart and actually acting on it.

I apologize if I'm getting too political, this is partly me just venting my frustrations with the modern political climate living in a hyper-liberal city.

I know Oregon used to have a state militia, but it was disbanded by Kate Brown. Is there anything similar that exists today? Something organized, non-partisan, and focused on realistic scenarios and actually being helpful to our communities? It would be awesome to find a group that trains together in trauma aid, disaster relief and small unit tactics, but also volunteers their time to make a positive impact. And is bound together by a support for individual rights and liberties (including the rights for individuals to live their lives how they see fit).

Maybe this doesn't exist, and I'd be better off separating my efforts of community help and defensive training. But if this does exist to any capacity, I'd love to hear about it.

I'm also curious to hear about your experience with militias, or organized volunteer-based group training.
 
I've been doing some research on the history of Oregon state militias, and what exists today. It's been quite difficult to find non-inflammatory information on state militias. It seems most articles are politically skewed, and most websites are not updated regularly, and don't have much information.

I've been trying to find a well-organized militia, without a basis in radicalism and a focus on utilitarian training in med, aid, disaster relief, and small team defensive tactics. A couple years ago I interviewed a few different groups, and was pretty disappointed.

It seemed like most of the guys were hyper-focused on preparing for an armed conflict with police and national guard, and restoring our culture to the superior Anglo European values and demographics. (Actually what one of the dudes said to me)
Now don't get me wrong, I'm a patriot through and through. My political stance is probably between a constitutionalist and a classical liberal. But through my conversations with these guys, (and my time around more radical right wing dudes) It seems like a lot of people have built their political views around the idea that they're a revolutionary insurgent of some sort, and that the ultimate goal is to violently overthrow the government and restore the US to what it was 200 years ago.

As I've gotten older, I've definitely softened into more utilitarianism. And one of the things I've recognized is that radicalism is almost always met with counter-radicalism. As wildly we would like to go toward freedom and individual liberty, there is another who will see that stance and embolden their support of socialist based governance. It seems like subtle work is the most effective, and I don't see many people in the patriot community taking this to heart and actually acting on it.

I apologize if I'm getting too political, this is partly me just venting my frustrations with the modern political climate living in a hyper-liberal city.

I know Oregon used to have a state militia, but it was disbanded by Kate Brown. Is there anything similar that exists today? Something organized, non-partisan, and focused on realistic scenarios and actually being helpful to our communities? It would be awesome to find a group that trains together in trauma aid, disaster relief and small unit tactics, but also volunteers their time to make a positive impact. And is bound together by a support for individual rights and liberties (including the rights for individuals to live their lives how they see fit).

Maybe this doesn't exist, and I'd be better off separating my efforts of community help and defensive training. But if this does exist to any capacity, I'd love to hear about it.

I'm also curious to hear about your experience with militias, or organized volunteer-based group training.
Probably join a church.
 
OP, read up on the Rajneeshpuram.


It's my understanding that during the dissolution of that cult, part of the Oregon constitution was amended to criminalize private militia in the State of Oregon.

I certainly could be mistaken, as I wrote such is "my understanding".

So, along with such, you couldn't have been associated with Oregon Militias. As there are none. Zip. Nadda.
 
Maybe start your own group...?
You can then set up your own rules , expectations and such...then interview and vet those who wish to join.
Andy
That's not a bad idea, though I'm doubtful I could provide enough value to warrant that.

While I do have a good amount of shooting experience, a tenuous grasp on shortwave comms, trauma first aid, and have taught many friends and family members the basics of firearm handling, drawing and firing from concealment, and even some dynamic work, I don't think I have enough experience to really provide value for possible members. Maybe someday in the future.
 
That's not a bad idea, though I'm doubtful I could provide enough value to warrant that.

While I do have a good amount of shooting experience, a tenuous grasp on shortwave comms, trauma first aid, and have taught many friends and family members the basics of firearm handling, drawing and firing from concealment, and even some dynamic work, I don't think I have enough experience to really provide value for possible members. Maybe someday in the future.
What you feel like you lack....someone who joins may have.
Just a thought.
Andy
 
Oregon used to have a State militia
It is now I believe, the Oregon Civil Defense Force; subordinate to Governor and to the US National Guard.


I do think that legally, this may meet the requirement of an Organized State Militia. As for unorganized militias; as @Camelfilter pointed out, the Rajneeshpuram group in the 1980s put an end to such activities as well as the recently passed laws regarding "paramilitary training".

However... I do believe 50 States have laws against "paramilitary activities" that also includes "unlawful/unauthorized militias"?
 
OP, read up on the

Rajneeshpuram

.

It's my understanding that during the dissolution of that cult, part of the Oregon constitution was amended to criminalize private militia in the State of Oregon.

I certainly could be mistaken, as I wrote such is "my understanding".

So, along with such, you couldn't have been associated with Oregon Militias. As there are none. Zip. Nadda.
I read through HB 2572, which is the most recent addition.

It mostly seems like another charge for someone engaging in domestic terrorism.

166.660. (1) A person commits the crime of unlawful paramilitary activity if the person:(a) Exhibits, displays or demonstrates to another person the use, application or making of anyfirearm, explosive or incendiary device or [any] technique capable of causing injury or death topersons and intends or knows that such firearm, explosive or incendiary device or technique willbe unlawfully employed for use in a civil disorder; or(b) Assembles with one or more other persons for the purpose of training with, practicing withor being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive or incendiary device or technique capableof causing injury or death to persons with the intent to unlawfully employ such firearm, explosiveor incendiary device or technique in a civil disorder.(2)(a) Nothing in this section makes unlawful any act of any law enforcement officer performedin the otherwise lawful performance of the officer's official duties.(b) Nothing in this section makes unlawful any activity of the State Department of Fish andWildlife, or any activity intended to teach or practice self-defense or self-defense techniques, suchas karate clubs or self-defense clinics, and similar lawful activity, or any facility, program or lawfulactivity related to firearms instruction and training intended to teach the safe handling and use offirearms, or any other lawful sports or activities related to the individual recreational use or possession of firearms, including but not limited to hunting activities, target shooting, self-defense,firearms collection or any organized activity including, but not limited to any hunting club, rifleclub, rifle range or shooting range which does not include a conspiracy as defined in ORS 161.450or the knowledge of or the intent to cause or further a civil disorder.

This all seems pretty obvious, like yeah planning terrorism is illegal. Forming a paramilitary group with the intention of civil disorder/violence is illegal, duh, and it should be.

It sounds like you have some experience with it the Oregon militia, as you called them a cult. If you're willing to share I'd love hear more from you.
 
Oregon used to have a State militia
It is now I believe, the Oregon Civil Defense Force; subordinate to Governor and to the US National Guard.


I do think that legally, this may meet the requirement of an Organized State Militia. As for unorganized militias; as @Camelfilter pointed out, the Rajneeshpuram group in the 1980s put an end to such activities as well as the recently passed laws regarding "paramilitary training".

However... I do believe 50 States have laws against "paramilitary activities" that also includes "unlawful/unauthorized militias"?
As with most legislature, it seems the legality lies almost entirely in what definitions they're using.

Going into the woods and shooting steel silhouettes with your buddies is fine, at what point does it become 'paramilitary training'?
 
As with most legislature, it seems the legality lies almost entirely in what definitions they're using.

Going into the woods and shooting steel silhouettes with your buddies is fine, at what point does it become 'paramilitary training'?
When you're doing squad movements, tactics, and shooting humanoid shaped targets, maybe those with photos of ATF and State Trooper uniforms on.... :rolleyes:

Also quite likely, doing group exercises, PT, "boot camps" with live fire and/or engaging in force-on-force training (airsoft, paintball, laser tag) with a clear focus on military simulations and a "blue on red" format (Feds/States vs militia), as opposed to "historical reenactments" or "sports tournaments/games" with wholly fictional characters and teams.
 
Closest thing to a militia that's armed and trained and exercises its ability is Antifa. They get by the militia laws by calling themselves anti fascist movement.

Point being if you start a group then call them the bird watchers of America and that way you avoid being thrown in jail. :D
 
A general question here if I may. I have been feverishly buying ammo at these prices getting the best deals I can. With all the factors election year war in Ukraine ammo plants sold to Europe gunpowder shortage who in here thinks there is a good chance we could. See bare shelves in 2024 and 29025 and ammo going for ungodly prices online?
 
When you're doing squad movements, tactics, and shooting humanoid shaped targets, maybe those with photos of ATF and State Trooper uniforms on.... :rolleyes:

Also quite likely, doing group exercises, PT, "boot camps" with live fire and/or engaging in force-on-force training (airsoft, paintball, laser tag) with a clear focus on military simulations and a "blue on red" format (Feds/States vs militia), as opposed to "historical reenactments" or "sports tournaments/games" with wholly fictional characters and teams.
Interesting, it seems like you could make an argument that a lot of people are engaging in 'paramilitary activities' without knowing it. I guess if you're not organizing around it you're okay, but owning NODS, PC, multiple rifles etc. could be seen as paramilitary preparation.
 
"Tactical carbine classes"

"Defensive carbine/rifle classes"

"Self defense clinics"

"Camps for first responders/volunteer deputies"

;)

Edit.

"Community action groups/committees"?
Great point, I would go to classes every weekend if I could. The issue is that many classes are exorbitantly expensive...
 
...It sounds like you have some experience with it the Oregon militia, as you called them a cult. If you're willing to share I'd love hear more from you.
If you re-read my post, I didn't call Militia a cult.

I stated Oregon Militia were made illegal during the dissolution of that cult.

So you couldn't have been associated with any Oregon Militia. Legally.
 
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