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One Powder Too Rule Them All?

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by erudne, Feb 12, 2014.

  1. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    Just got back from a shopping trip in the Gorge:
    No Smokeless Powder
    1 BX 55grn .224

    So my question is:
    Is there a single rifle powder I can use on 223, 308, 270 Win. Preferably a ball powder as that is easier on my 50 YO powder gizmo
     
  2. Greenbug

    Greenbug Bend Well-Known Member

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    Hodgdon H4895 or Varget should do the trick for you on those three calibers.
     
  3. Trailboss

    Trailboss Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    RL-15 is pretty good also.
     
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  4. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    H-335 and BL-C(2) will also work.. I use those and also RL-15.
    I'm sure there's more.
     
  5. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    Great, Thanks!
     
  6. scottys1100

    scottys1100 Bremerton, WA New Member

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    Varget is what I use for Match rounds in the 223 and 308. Also excellent in 30-06 semi-auto's and variants of that casing such as the 270.
     
  7. gunfreak

    gunfreak Boise Well-Known Member

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    IMR 4064. I use it in 223, 243, 30-06, my buddy uses it in 308. Very versatile for calibers and bullet weights.
     
  8. spectra

    spectra The Couve Moderator Staff Member Bronze Supporter

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    I would vote Varget also. I know the 4895 will work for the 308 and 223 but I have no experience with the 270.

    Good luck on your search powder is hard to find right now,
     
  9. Otter

    Otter Oregon - mid Willamette Valley Active Member

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    Varget and H4895 are two of the most versatile I've ever used, but it isn't going to be a very good choice at all for the .270 Win. Both the 270s I have reloaded for like a much slower burn rate than either Varget or H4895 - H4831 is ideal for the .270.

    Whatever you go with, a single powder choice is going to really be a compromise in either the .270 or the .223.
     
  10. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    I have yet to find anything approaching the perfect powder for any variety of rifle cartridges. Thus far I've found 4 powders that are perfect for loading either .223 or .308, nothing that really performs in both and at the same time has a low cost. Anything slower than 4895 won't work in .223 or .308, anything faster than H335 won't work in .308. Typically I use H335 or varget in .223 and varget and IMR3031 in .308. If I'm loading blasting ammo, I load 335 in both. Varget is kinda've a pain to use with .223 as the large powder geometry pretty much prevents you from running a max load. As a consequence I've switched over to using TAC for my match/hunting .223 loads, and still using 3031 for the .308.
     
  11. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I was going to mention BLC2 - it is a versatile powder for standard rifle cartridges.

    For handgun you need at least several IMO, and it doesn't hurt to have some Bullseye or something like it for some really light squib loads for both handgun and rifle.
     
  12. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    I hear you.. I can get by with Red-Dot though for everything from .25acp to .44 magnum.. and then reduced 30-06 etc. It's not absolutely optimum for about anything but will do very well for about anything within reason.
     
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  13. thorborg

    thorborg portland oregon Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    "One Powder Too Rule Them All?"
    Yes if you remove the "Rule" from your question.
    I too have used red-dot for everything, not real efficient for some and messyto work with but it works. Better is IMR 3031, cleaner to process and burn, still only be average results on the 223 may require compacting. Also consider IMR 4198 but may have to work up some loads on your own as it wont be listed in some calibers and I frankly have not tried it on 223 but it woorks great on .270 through to 45-70.
     
  14. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    4198 doesn't work at all in .223 at least for AR-15's, it's too fast, works better in 7.62x39 and some of the larger bore cartridges where it's speed catches up.
     
  15. Stump

    Stump Westeren Washington New Member

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    H4350 and H4895 that said, a lot depends on the type of bullet as they do act differently.
     
  16. Benchrest

    Benchrest The Desert Planet Well-Known Member

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    Hey AMP

    Did you mean ".223 AND .308"?


    Thanks


    Jason

     
  17. thorborg

    thorborg portland oregon Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Some interesting comments here. Since I don't have anything but bolt guns for centerfire rifles, I see the limitations the marginal powders can have for semi auto's. Still, its fun to see just what you can use to push a projectile down the bore when your life or game isn't dependant on it. Read some of the odd mixtures Elmer Kieth came up with to keep shooting when powder or the money for it was hard to come by.
     
  18. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    I've used real black powder in a .243.. it worked pretty good.. for a couple shots. then clean away
     
  19. cookie

    cookie THE SOCIALIST STATE OF KALI - FORNIA Well-Known Member

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    748, H4895 and maybe tac.
     
  20. bballer182

    bballer182 Molalla Active Member

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    I was going to mention BL-C(2) also. And as an honorable mention H335. Good luck getting it.