On Topic, yet Off Topic, sort of

po18guy · Oct 29, 2022

Bit of a front story here. A cartridge of substantial EDC potential was developed, but never produced in any number: 9mm Action Express. Evan Whildin, known for the serries of Action Express cartridges, (.41AE, 50AE) made the 41AE by shortening a .41 Mag case to 22mm and reducing the rim to 9mm dimensions. Thus, it provided .41 Magnum "Police load" ballistics and fit 9mm pistols. However, Winchester+S&W introduced their .40 shortly after and guess what?

To the point, Mr. Whildin had taken the .41AE (.41 X 22) and bottle-necked it to 9mm, making the 9mm Action Express. Ballistically superior to the .357 Sig, it was never marketed. It still fit all 9mm pistol bolt faces and magazine wells. I have a soft spot for the 41AE and a High Power clone with 9mm/41AE conversions.

quneur · Oct 31, 2022

NeoBlackdog said:
Maybe they could call it, oh, I don't know... .308 Winchester?
Or do you want something in between?

Yup. Something in-between. 308 is a shorten case but uses the same bullet shape and BC. I was thinking a long high BC bullet. You could do the same for 300 Win Mag for long distance shots on elk size game but it may be a barrel burner.

po18guy · Oct 31, 2022

quneur said:
Yup. Something in-between. 308 is a shorten case but uses the same bullet shape and BC. I was thinking a long high BC bullet. You could do the same for 300 Win Mag for long distance shots on elk size game but it may be a barrel burner.

Maybe the .308 X 1.5, invented by Frank C. Barnes, the editor of Cartridges of the World. I recently thought it was time to upgrade from the 3rd edition which I bought in the 70s, as by now there must be some updated info. So I looked and it is now in its 17th edition now. Now have to go listen to Al Stewart's "Time Passages."

.308×1.5-inch Barnes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

NeoBlackdog · Oct 31, 2022

po18guy said:
Maybe the .308 X 1.5, invented by Frank C. Barnes, the editor of Cartridges of the World. I recently thought it was time to upgrade from the 3rd edition which I bought in the 70s, as by now there must be some updated info. So I looked and it is now in its 17th edition now. Now have to go listen to Al Stewart's "Time Passages."

.308×1.5-inch Barnes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So almost a .300 Whisper...

ageingstudent · Oct 31, 2022

po18guy said:
Maybe the .308 X 1.5, invented by Frank C. Barnes, the editor of Cartridges of the World. I recently thought it was time to upgrade from the 3rd edition which I bought in the 70s, as by now there must be some updated info. So I looked and it is now in its 17th edition now. Now have to go listen to Al Stewart's "Time Passages."

.308×1.5-inch Barnes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I still have a 5th edition

. Goes by fast brother.

Pete F · Oct 31, 2022

po18guy said:
Bit of a front story here. A cartridge of substantial EDC potential was developed, but never produced in any number: 9mm Action Express. Evan Whildin, known for the serries of Action Express cartridges, (.41AE, 50AE) made the 41AE by shortening a .41 Mag case to 22mm and reducing the rim to 9mm dimensions. Thus, it provided .41 Magnum "Police load" ballistics and fit 9mm pistols. However, Winchester+S&W introduced their .40 shortly after and guess what?

To the point, Mr. Whildin had taken the .41AE (.41 X 22) and bottle-necked it to 9mm, making the 9mm Action Express. Ballistically superior to the .357 Sig, it was never marketed. It still fit all 9mm pistol bolt faces and magazine wells. I have a soft spot for the 41AE and a High Power clone with 9mm/41AE conversions.

I took .41 cal LeverRevolution 190 grain and made .41 AE Critical Defense bullets by rounding off the soft plastic point. Since the .41 AE is taper crimped, I didn't have to use the cannelure groove. Hornaday said it wouldn't work - I showed them.

po18guy · Oct 31, 2022

NeoBlackdog said:
So almost a .300 Whisper...

Well, the 1.5 is stated as more powerful than the 7.62X39, whatever that means.

Caveman Jim · Nov 4, 2022

Stomper said:
You can also make .44 Automag.

Yesterday I watched a documentary on this same gun. Very interesting to say the least, it's a young man's gun for sure.

Caveman Jim · Nov 4, 2022

Can anyone tell me what happened here?
Not mine, found it while picking brass one day.
It's a 5.56 case that was obviously shot in a different chamber.

Stomper · Nov 4, 2022

Caveman Jim said:
Yesterday I watched a documentary on this same gun. Very interesting to say the least, it's a young man's gun for sure.

Charles Bronson would NOT agree! :s0108:

Caveman Jim · Nov 4, 2022

Stomper said:
Charles Bronson would NOT agree!

Well Bronson was just a Hollywood action figure, like Eastwood but Eastwood sold a ton of model 29 .44 magnum pistols for S&W.

tac · Nov 4, 2022

I regularly shoot a .308cal 174gr bullet at 2560 fps, from a 55mm long case, in a rifle designed in 1931 and used in service until 1957.

It shoots like a heavy-hitting .308 Win, with authority at each end, and is an easy-to-reload cartridge renowned for not stressing the guns it was made for. In fact, many people load a 180gr bullet for long-range effective shooting. My rifle was made in 1944, and shoots four-round groups like this at 100m all day long.

Not too shabby at 200m, either, as this ten-shot group shows.

What is it?

Correct answers will be rewarded with a hearty 'well-done!'

po18guy · Nov 4, 2022

Schmidt-Rubin

NeoBlackdog · Nov 4, 2022

tac said:
I regularly shoot a .308cal 174gr bullet at 2560 fps, from a 55mm long case, in a rifle designed in 1931 and used in service until 1957.

It shoots like a heavy-hitting .308 Win, with authority at each end, and is an easy-to-reload cartridge renowned for not stressing the guns it was made for. In fact, many people load a 180gr bullet for long-range effective shooting. My rifle was made in 1944, and shoots four-round groups like this at 100m all day long.

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Not too shabby at 200m, either, as this ten-shot group shows.

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What is it?

Correct answers will be rewarded with a hearty 'well-done!'

7.5x55 Swiss out of a Karabiner Modell1931

tac · Nov 5, 2022

po18guy said:
Schmidt-Rubin

Not quite - it IS a K31, though. The Federal committee for the design and development of small arms, headed up by Colonel Adolf Furrer, took the k11 as a starting point, gave the bolt a complete make-over, and came up with the K31.

Note that the K31 has a longer barrel, longer sight radius and a shorter, more rigid bolt. Nothing is interchangeable with the K11, except maybe the butt-plate.