Other State Obtaining an AR15 lower as a 20yr old service member

[BrendanGarcia1]

Hello everyone! I'm new here so forgive me, hell Im from California so y'all may not even have the answer. So here's the background, I am 20 years old and a service member in the USMC. I am currently building my first Ar15 which is legal for me to have. But the issue I've run into is that I can not legally buy an individual complete lower for fear of "turning it into a pistol" yet I am completely capable of buying an entire rifle. So my question is, should I ask my friends father Who has his own FFL to buy and "gift" me the lower? And what might be the hoops I'll be making him jump through for this? I don't want to put him on caution for me, he's a police officer with more on the line here.
Sincerely,
one poor sap living in liberal California.

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[RicInOR]

Hello everyone! I'm new here so forgive me, hell Im from California so y'all may not even have the answer. So here's the background, I am 20 years old and a service member in the USMC. I am currently building my first Ar15 which is legal for me to have. But the issue I've run into is that I can not legally buy an individual complete lower for fear of "turning it into a pistol" yet I am completely capable of buying an entire rifle. So my question is, should I ask my friends father Who has his own FFL to buy and "gift" me the lower? And what might be the hoops I'll be making him jump through for this? I don't want to put him on caution for me, he's a police officer with more on the line here.
Sincerely,
one poor sap living in liberal California.

2 things: 1. Do not volunteer, 2 CYA.

You have access to legal services, make use of them. There are more questions you will have on the law.



(sorry, I have no known family who served in the Corps. None the less, Semper Fi )

 

[Member 34319]

80%

 

[Member 53328]

Where are you stationed? If you're in 29 palms there is a gun store right outside the gate that will sell stripped lowers. He's a former LEO I believe.

 

[edzz]

Why not ask dad to buy it and gift it to you?

 

[BrendanGarcia1]

Where are you stationed? If you're in 29 palms there is a gun store right outside the gate that will sell stripped lowers. He's a former LEO I believe.

I'm reserve out of Camp Pendleton but I live just about an hour from 29. Maybe I'll go check it out thanks!

 

[BrendanGarcia1]

Why not ask dad to buy it and gift it to you?

Never been close with my dad, and also has a criminal record. But the friends dad I mentioned has always taken kindly of me and offered to help me out.

 

[BrendanGarcia1]

80%

Yeah I thought about that, I DO have an 80% but it was sort of a scrap piece to practice milling it out. I'm looking to buy a lower from SharpsBros for my specific build.

 

[Unka-Boo]

Stripped lower is treated like a pistol under federal law, no one under 21 can buy one.
Even if you were "gifted" one, I don't beleive youd be able to have it xfered to you.

Either buy a complete "rifle" lower, or go 80%.

 

[Member 34319]

Yeah I thought about that, I DO have an 80% but it was sort of a scrap piece to practice milling it out. I'm looking to buy a lower from SharpsBros for my specific build.

Well. You are sort of out of options really. Being with your age and California law. In fact I don't even believe 80% is a good route to take in your state anymore as you are required by law to submit for a serial number to make it into a gun. Not that that law is being taken very seriously, but they appear to be using it to hurt lawful citizens.

 

[AMT]

Isn't a stripped lower considered "other" on the 4473? It is neither a pistol nor a rifle.

Just curious.

 

[edzz]

Never been close with my dad, and also has a criminal record. But the friends dad I mentioned has always taken kindly of me and offered to help me out.

Mom maybe?

 

[Member 53328]

Call this shop. They will be able to answer your questions. He's a straight shooter and knows the laws. He will give you your options. Shoot me a PM if you want.

 

[Member 34319]

Isn't a stripped lower considered "other" on the 4473? It is neither a pistol nor a rifle.

Just curious.

Correct, but you must be 21 years of age to make this transfer.

 

[Member 53328]

There a few good dealers in Cali. If you were an MP it would be even better cause you would have federal LEO cress. Then you can conceal carry in Cali once you're 21 under HR218.

 

[Member 53328]

You can actually carry in all 50 states as long as you hold the credentials.

 

[User 1234]

There a few good dealers in Cali. If you were an MP it would be even better cause you would have federal LEO cress. Then you can conceal carry in Cali once you're 21 under HR218.

I doubt he has the required years if he is 20.

Also in California no lowers are sold as "other" in the state's DROS system, they are transferred as rifle receivers under the state's software unless the person is roster-exempt. Franklin Armory is going to sue in March to change the Cal DoJ's software because it does not adhere to California law.
As far as being under 21, if you get a hunting license then California's under-21 rifle ban does not apply so you could buy a featureless or fixed magazine rifle. Also, read the ATF's guide for service member residency. Depending on your details (HOR in the DoD DEERS system, tax return filings, driver's license, voting registration) you might be a resident of your last state and might be able to legally buy a gun there. That does not mean you could necessarily bring it to California though.
California's gun laws are very complex, so don't expect FFLs to have the correct answers. Go to your base's legal assistance office instead of accepting legal advice from an FFL.

 

[Member 53328]

I doubt he has the required years if he is 20.

Also in California no lowers are sold as "other" in the state's DROS system, they are transferred as rifle receivers under the state's software unless the person is roster-exempt. Franklin Armory is going to sue in March to change the Cal DoJ's software because it does not adhere to California law.
As far as being under 21, if you get a hunting license then California's under-21 rifle ban does not apply so you could buy a featureless or fixed magazine rifle. Also, read the ATF's guide for service member residency. Depending on your details (HOR in the DoD DEERS system, tax return filings, driver's license, voting registration) you might be a resident of your last state and might be able to legally buy a gun there. That does not mean you could necessarily bring it to California though.
California's gun laws are very complex, so don't expect FFLs to have the correct answers. Go to your base's legal assistance office instead of accepting legal advice from an FFL.

like I said in my statement. Once he is 21.

 

[User 1234]

I was thinking the ten years, but you're right if he was a current MP that is not a requirement.

 

[Heywood]

I'm not going to say what I would do as it could be seen as misbehaving and that's the last thing we want to be.