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By JGRuby:
Woody - you made a lot of claims - where is the actual proof that they are focusing on humans? Wolves typically try to avoid humans.
Here's some recent proof:
Wolf Kills
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_wolf_attacks
http://www.aws.vcn.com/wolf_attacks_on_humans.html
http://www.wildsentry.org/WolfAttack.html
Dont be naive. I suggest you research historical accounts of wolves on settlers, to recent time. Just because this animal may resemble the dogs you keep in your homes, doesn't mean they are like dogs. Wolves are not dogs.
By JGRuby:
I also bet that the cougar population has a larger impact than the wolf population does presently.
Seriously? These days, a single Cougar's hunting grounds typically consist of 10-20 square miles. Thats one cat requiring a fresh kill approx. every 3 days or 8-10lbs of fresh meat per day. They prey on smaller animals (fawn/calfs/slow,sick animal) as they dont have a pack to help. One cat. Not a pack of cats. How can you make that statement? We've had cats here along time without problems of diminishing herds.
By JGRuby:
Workman - so there are a 1000 wolves in Idaho - big deal historically what was the wolf population back in the 18th century? Bet it was more than a thousand for the state of Idaho.
Your comparing the exact same amount of available habitat today to what was available to the ELK, Deer, Bear, Cougars, and the Wolves back in the 1800's? Yeah, its a big deal because the amount of habitat is a fraction of what it was. So when the wolves' numbers continue to grow and continue to eat and all their food is gone, what should we do with them then? Hand feed them? Let them starve? Neither are good answers. First they will consume all the available prey, then the other available predators (that includes us), then they will prey upon themselves.
By JGRuby
In my opinion hunters and ranchers should not be the only ones having a say in the wolf population. If the ranchers want to control the wolf population do it on their own property not federal land. The ranchers should not have explicit rights on federal or state lands, not at the minimal charge they pay per head to graze on that property. In Oregon its maybe the price of a couple bales of hay to graze for 9 months. The problem with this is that the wolves might have impact on a freebie the ranchers expect now.
Opinion Noted. What you dont understand is the Fish/Fur never mentioned that they would be introducing a super killer into the areas where the ranchers are grazing their investments they paid for with their own money on lands they leased from the Govt with their own money. Had the Govt mentioned it, I'm SURE, most would have found other options. If I told you that you could board your prize race horses on my land for cheap, and then I let my dogs in the pen with them, and they killed them, you'd be pretty pissed about the loss of YOUR INVESTMENTS. And dont worry about what ranchers lease land from the Govt for as they help provide the enormous amount of food this country requires daily.
This is for all you "Give Wolves a Chance" folks. Sorry to say it like this, but you don't know what you are talking about or are dealing with. I hunt and have worked in the deep backcountry of ID, MT, CO and Saskatchewan for the last 26 years and have personally seen the 'Sport Hunting' that wolves engage in. Killing for fun, developing killing skills. The wolf packs in N. Idaho to NW Montana are very large in size. Longtime friend and Idaho wildlife biologist I hunt that state with says the largest single pack they found was 56 wolves. One pack. Idaho denies the size of a pack this large and my friend was strictly told to keep his mouth shut by the ID fish&fur higher ups. Wolves kill daily as long as the prey presents itself. The only natural predator to wolves is man and were not hunting sh!t. NO, bears are not a wolf predator. They will only engage to battle over food, bears do not prey on wolves. You believe the State biologists have a large say in the wolves being brought into the state? Wrong. Sorry again, but you need to gather facts before you speculate something you have NO idea about.
Woody - you made a lot of claims - where is the actual proof that they are focusing on humans? Wolves typically try to avoid humans.
Here's some recent proof:
Wolf Kills
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_wolf_attacks
http://www.aws.vcn.com/wolf_attacks_on_humans.html
http://www.wildsentry.org/WolfAttack.html
Dont be naive. I suggest you research historical accounts of wolves on settlers, to recent time. Just because this animal may resemble the dogs you keep in your homes, doesn't mean they are like dogs. Wolves are not dogs.
By JGRuby:
I also bet that the cougar population has a larger impact than the wolf population does presently.
Seriously? These days, a single Cougar's hunting grounds typically consist of 10-20 square miles. Thats one cat requiring a fresh kill approx. every 3 days or 8-10lbs of fresh meat per day. They prey on smaller animals (fawn/calfs/slow,sick animal) as they dont have a pack to help. One cat. Not a pack of cats. How can you make that statement? We've had cats here along time without problems of diminishing herds.
By JGRuby:
Workman - so there are a 1000 wolves in Idaho - big deal historically what was the wolf population back in the 18th century? Bet it was more than a thousand for the state of Idaho.
Your comparing the exact same amount of available habitat today to what was available to the ELK, Deer, Bear, Cougars, and the Wolves back in the 1800's? Yeah, its a big deal because the amount of habitat is a fraction of what it was. So when the wolves' numbers continue to grow and continue to eat and all their food is gone, what should we do with them then? Hand feed them? Let them starve? Neither are good answers. First they will consume all the available prey, then the other available predators (that includes us), then they will prey upon themselves.
By JGRuby
In my opinion hunters and ranchers should not be the only ones having a say in the wolf population. If the ranchers want to control the wolf population do it on their own property not federal land. The ranchers should not have explicit rights on federal or state lands, not at the minimal charge they pay per head to graze on that property. In Oregon its maybe the price of a couple bales of hay to graze for 9 months. The problem with this is that the wolves might have impact on a freebie the ranchers expect now.
Opinion Noted. What you dont understand is the Fish/Fur never mentioned that they would be introducing a super killer into the areas where the ranchers are grazing their investments they paid for with their own money on lands they leased from the Govt with their own money. Had the Govt mentioned it, I'm SURE, most would have found other options. If I told you that you could board your prize race horses on my land for cheap, and then I let my dogs in the pen with them, and they killed them, you'd be pretty pissed about the loss of YOUR INVESTMENTS. And dont worry about what ranchers lease land from the Govt for as they help provide the enormous amount of food this country requires daily.
This is for all you "Give Wolves a Chance" folks. Sorry to say it like this, but you don't know what you are talking about or are dealing with. I hunt and have worked in the deep backcountry of ID, MT, CO and Saskatchewan for the last 26 years and have personally seen the 'Sport Hunting' that wolves engage in. Killing for fun, developing killing skills. The wolf packs in N. Idaho to NW Montana are very large in size. Longtime friend and Idaho wildlife biologist I hunt that state with says the largest single pack they found was 56 wolves. One pack. Idaho denies the size of a pack this large and my friend was strictly told to keep his mouth shut by the ID fish&fur higher ups. Wolves kill daily as long as the prey presents itself. The only natural predator to wolves is man and were not hunting sh!t. NO, bears are not a wolf predator. They will only engage to battle over food, bears do not prey on wolves. You believe the State biologists have a large say in the wolves being brought into the state? Wrong. Sorry again, but you need to gather facts before you speculate something you have NO idea about.