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Northwest gunnies watch Fast and Furious meltdown

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Dave Workman, Jul 16, 2011.

  1. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Fast and Furious meltdown, and the attempts to prevent it

    Pacific Northwest gun rights activists are watching with a mix of disgust and amazement as the Justice Department’s apparent cover-up of the Operation Fast and Furious appears to be headed into meltdown, despite efforts by Congressional Democrats and sympathetic newspapers to distract public attention and downplay the scope of the scandal.


    Fast and Furious meltdown, and the attempts to prevent it - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com
     
  2. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Hey Dave you have a mistake to fix in the article..

    "Earlier this week, Democrats Elijah E. Cummings, Carolyn McCarthy and Carolyn announced their new gun control initiative, discussed by this column, quickly branded a"


    You've listed Carolyn twice.
     
  3. berma051

    berma051 hillsboro Or Member

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    u know the idea that mexican drug cartels are buying guns here in bulk is bullbubblegum ther a million doller criminal org why would they do that when they can just give some russians or chinese a call and get full auto wepons for half the price even less if i was them thats wat i would do
     
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  4. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The other Carolyn is Maloney. For whatever reason, that skipped when I filed the story. It is fixed now. Thx
     
  5. elsie

    elsie Way over there on the left Well-Known Member

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    For those interested, here is the text of the bill HR 2554: Bill Text - 112th Congress (2011-2012) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

    It mostly looks like they are trying to make things that are already illegal, illegal. Or maybe they think the existing laws are a bit fuzzy. The only part I find that is actually interesting is the stuff that isn't there: an exemption for government/LE.

    elsie
     
  6. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    A pallet of white for a pallet of guns? (ship load) Makes sense to me.
     
  7. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Fast and Furious: Melson says DOJ ‘response…was a disaster’


    The acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has told congressional investigators digging into the Operation Fast and Furious gun trafficking scandal that the Department of Justice’s response to the investigation has been “a disaster.”

    Fast and Furious: Melson says DOJ
     
  8. Bigfoot

    Bigfoot Clack Co. OR Well-Known Member

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    "House oversight committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, California Republican, and Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa Republican, are now looking to the FBI and DEA for information on Operation Fast and Furious.

    The top Congressional Republican investigators fired off letters requesting specific details from FBI director Robert Mueller and DEA administrator Michele Leonhart last week.

    “In recent weeks, we have learned of the possible involvement of paid FBI informants in Operation Fast and Furious,” Issa and Grassley wrote to Mueller. “Specifically, at least one individual who is allegedly an FBI informant might have been in communication with, and was perhaps even conspiring with, at least one suspect whom ATF was monitoring.”

    Issa and Grassley asked Mueller to provide them with details on how many FBI informants communicated with Operation Fast and Furious players, and what the nature of those communications was.

    The Republican investigators also asked Mueller if any of those informants were ever deported by the DEA or any other law enforcement entity. If these potential FBI informants involved with Fast and Furious were ever deported, Issa and Grassley would like to what the repatriation process is for them and what other agencies were notified.

    Issa and Grassley gave Mueller until noon on July 25 to respond."


    Fast and Furious | FBI | DEA | The Daily Caller

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    That one week deadline caught my attention. Grassley and Issa have lost patience with the administration.
     
  9. MA Duce

    MA Duce Central Oregon Well-Known Member

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    DOJ is acting like a cat who took a dump on a tin roof......scratch as they will they can't bury it, all they can do is smear it around. If it wasn't so serious I would be laughing at this sad attempt to cover this up.
     
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  10. Bigfoot

    Bigfoot Clack Co. OR Well-Known Member

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    This scandal might be warming up.

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    "Two weapons found at the scene of the murder of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry were traced back to the ATF's 'Operation Fast and Furious,' and reports now indicate that ATF's Tampa field division trafficked as many as 1,000 firearms to the dangerous MS-13 gang in Honduras through a similar program known as 'Operation Castaway,' " Bilirakis states on his website."

    "This comes as the Department of Justice is stalling on any cooperation with Rep. Darrel Issa's House Oversight Committee. The only information ATF has provided freely has been to potential witnesses, giving them, according to BigGovernment.com, access to a shared drive on its computer system so everyone can compare notes and get their stories straight."

    Obama-Contra - Investors.com
     
  11. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Yep. I've been writing about that for months.
    This thing stinks in capital letters. It's nice to see other media jumping in to report this story.
     
  13. Bigfoot

    Bigfoot Clack Co. OR Well-Known Member

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    Even the NY Times had an article today, they buried in the politics section but at least they covered it.

    Now I know why the use of paid informants is an issue, apparently it makes them exempt from prosecution. Now why sting people that you can't prosecute?

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    "Witnesses have testified that some of the very targets of Operation Fast and Furious – the high-level weapons suppliers to the cartels – may have been paid informants. While this is preliminary information, if true, the implications are dramatic. Not only would this mean taxpayer dollars could have funded those helping to arm Mexican drug cartels, it would also mean ATF unwittingly targeted unindictable defendants."

    "Or maybe that wasn’t done “unwittingly,” since much of this investigation will boil down to establishing the true purpose for the Gun Walker operations. If that purpose was to deliberately increase Mexican gun crime for American political purposes, the ability to indict the nominal targets wouldn’t have mattered much."

    Was ICE Agent Zapata Killed With a Gun Walker Weapon? - HUMAN EVENTS
     
  14. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Why would anyone even be surprised by anything like this? It is a corrupt system on all levels top to bottom. Whether it be the FDA or the ATF doesn't matter. Typically, anything you see in the main stream media is a cover story for much bigger travesties of justice taking place simultaneously. We would gladly send all of these to Kim Jong via UPS if we could get away with it. Nothing new at all.

    Kind of like the silly Murdock cell phone hacking scandal. We should be concerned about that, but not that Eschelon is illegally monitoring every word said or typed in the Western world and beyond. Land of the fee home of the slave.
     
  15. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Grassley to Fox News: ‘Melson gave documents to DOJ, but we didn’t get them’

    Grassley to Fox News:


    Looks like the Justice Dept. has some 'splainin' to do....
     
  17. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    "Loopholes in the law"?

    WTF?! The only "loophole" was that this was clearly a political move to strengthen gun control and get more ATF funding in Arizona. The sellers are still getting flak over this. My own father and I argued just a few weeks ago about this stuff...he says there needs to be more regulations so that these kinds of crimes wont happen.

    Well it wouldn't have happened if they would have done their freekin jobs to begin with! When you have a known "straw buyer" illegally purchasing firearms, you follow them, find out where the guns exchange hands and arrest them both. You get the "straw buyer" to "roll" on his middle man, and then you storm roll the other guy with all the evidence and threaten to charge him with the max if he doesn't give up who he is buying for. Otherwise, you imploy undercover agents...you don't let the guns just "walk" unless you have some sort of tracking device on them or the guns are innert.

    The above is right out of the LEO playbook...any deviation from it shows gross negligance on their part or a hidden agenda. With all the talks of our guns being the cause of Mexican violence prior to opperation Gunrunner's peak makes me very suspicious about this entire thing. If it doesn't fall on anyone's head, it's because they knew about it and wanted more violence...but the BP agent dying and the ATF whistle blowers was an unforseen event...so now comes the clean up.

    This is the modern day WACO, ladies and gents...expect more crap like this in the future. Blatent lies, cover ups and a death blamed completely on the guns.
     
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    Fast and Furious the ‘Perfect storm of idiocy,’ — ATF attaché

    Operation Fast and Furious was “the perfect storm of idiocy,” according to a new report to be released today by Congressman Darrell Issa and Senator Charles Grassley as a third hearing into the botched gun running sting operation opens on Capitol Hill.



    Fast and Furious the
     
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    ATF agents denounce ‘Fast & Furious’ as Dems push gun control agenda

    Tuesday’s searing four-hour hearing on Operation Fast and Furious found agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives disagreeing with one another, and admitting that mistakes were made, while Democrats on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform continued to push their gun control agenda.

    ATF agents denounce
     
  20. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    Nothing on the mainstream media....sickening