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No coincedence. John Noveske murdered? Just after he wrote about psychoactive drugs..

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by PMKN_PI, Jan 9, 2013.

  1. PMKN_PI

    PMKN_PI Milwaukie, Oregon, United States Active Member

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  2. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Nothing is more disgustingly corrupt than the pharms and their lackeys at the FDA. If you interfere in their multi-billion dollar profit taking, you too might pay the price. Of course, to the 98%, things like this cannot happen because the message is not comforting.

    The NRA knew better than to take on the Pharms. They wimped out and pointed the finger at videos games and other less consequential issues. Pharm drug pushers, false flags, and orchestrated events are not issues up for consideration.

    US pharm industry creates diseases to cure them — RT

    "Companies that stop short of nothing to find some-syndrome, someone or something new to medicate."

    There are plenty of natural treatments and dietary changes that 'cure' most of what ails us. Those who suffer or die of cancer do so out of ignorance. The preventative cure for cancer has been around since the 50s. But, of course, the 98%, the authority worshipers will hear nothing of that .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYMduufa-E + https://www.apricotpower.com/ = let others worry about cancer.
     
  3. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Must say I am curious what drugs (legal or illicit) may have been on board with some of the recent shooters. I have wondered how the adolescent brain responds to pharmacologic agents and how that differs from a more mature person from a neurophysiologic perspective. There is sound science that shows younger brains respond to trauma (concussions) differently than those people with more mature ("older") brains. As an example, one never hears of college or professional football players or soldiers who sustain concussions then develop a rare but very severe condition called "second impact syndrome". This syndrome has a 100% morbidity rate and a 50% mortality rate. The younger brain reacts differently to trauma and I have no doubt that the younger brain AND an associated physiologic and/or psychological issue PLUS some drugs may predispose some folks to some psychosis. I could be completely out to lunch on this but my gut wonders about some of the meds we use with younger folks.

    That said, Loughner, Cho and Lanza ... not sure if they had any ongoing pharmacologic therapy that could be implicated. It's very obvious they had issues .... drugs aside.

    Now with that said and getting back to the topic of the OP .... Noveske wouldn't fall into my area of speculation noted above. But more to the point, I was with 4 LEO's shooting the morning after the Noveske accident. EVERYTHING by those in the know indicates he wasn't wearing a seatbelt and was thrown from the vehicle. There are reports he may have been driving impaired. The conspiracy theory is complete and total imagination run amok and doesn't take into consideration the actual FACTS.
     
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  4. ocarolan

    ocarolan Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Folks,

    Sounds like you're mixing "correlation" with "causation". These shooters took medication because they were already unstable. Suppose you visited a prison for violent mental patients, you'll find almost 100% of them received medication before committing their crime. Does not necessarily mean the drug caused violent behavior.

    Also, if some elite agency wanted to hush up this pharmacy linkage, why would they draw attention to it by killing the messenger? And leaving his message posted on Facebook??

    Nothing to see here.
     
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  5. 4Freedom

    4Freedom Boise, Idaho Well-Known Member

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    I've said it many times before, the drug and pharma industries are the world's greatest mafia. They are a multi-trillion dollar industry who have murdered more people than all the gun crimes ever committed in our country. Look at the whole Vioxx episode. More people died from bad reactions from the toxic Vioxx drug than the whole entire Vietnam War. These people pay off any lawsuits, fines they incur and, even with Vioxx, their profits far exceed the fines paid in wrongful death suits. They have inside connections with many politicians in the government and a lot of lobbying power.

    I don't doubt for a second about some type of dirty dealings with anyone who does deep investigations about the toxic side effects of these drugs. They mess with sensitive areas of your brains and cause people to have reactions that are hard to analyze.

    Ocarolan, many of these drugs have adverse reactions in people who are already in a sensitive state. To say the person was already violent and the drugs are irrelevant is a obviously not a well-researched and analyzed assessment. They have proven that certain drugs, like Prozac, Lithium, etc have resulted in higher suicide rates in comparison to other drugs taken for people with same conditions. They cause changes in your brain chemistry, which have not been well researched. When the drug companies are making so much money and people are convinced by the psychiatrist that they are happier now, who can argue?
     
  6. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Just imagine when the one of ten people that are rotting their brains with these pharm drugs can't get access to them post economic collapse/SHTF. They'll go into psychotic fits. Picture one in ten Americans on a suicidal/homicidal rampage. Not a pretty picture in an already messed up situation. No weapons to defend yourself against these type of people in a rage? You're dead.

    I have a friend who takes Effexor. He tells me in just two days off of it he gets suicidal thoughts and by the third day he gets such violent nightmares and thoughts it is like he is in a horror movie. He won't get off of it simply because he said his brain will melt down without it.

    He knows starting to take it years ago was a horrible mistake but he trusted his doctor. Once you are on it, you are a literal slave to it.

    John Noveske is a brave hero for speaking out about the pharm scams; great respect to the man and RIP.

    Anyone even considering taking any of these destructive drugs from their pimp (doctor) should sit down and learn the truth first. But the sheep happily drink Fluoride and get Mercury-laden vaccines for their kids, so don't expect the 98% to grow any backbone or braincells anytime soon.

    [video=youtube;IgCpa1RlSdQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgCpa1RlSdQ[/video]
     
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  7. ATCclears

    ATCclears Seattle area, WA Well-Known Member

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    gehrheart fidalgo island Well-Known Member

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    Big Phama wont let them talk about it..

    largest organized crime family there ever was.
     
  9. ThemGunsThough

    ThemGunsThough RIP City! Well-Known Member

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    Wow, this is getting crazy.
     
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    clambo Vancouver, Wa. Well-Known Member

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    Venlafaxine (Effexor) is one of the scarier psychotropic drugs that is commonly used today. Many people compare it to Heroin because once you begin, you never get to stop. Not only does it make people suicidal in many cases, but it also makes people homicidal. Psychiatrists pass this stuff out like candy. Not only are psychotropic drugs being used for their intended purposes there is an alarming trend for doctors to prescribe these drugs for off label purposes such as control of chronic pain. The V.A. in particular prescribes antidepressants for just about everything. I have drawers full of them that I don't take.
     
  11. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    So, a nut is taking meds. We can't blame the nut, we blame the meds, just like some people say we blame the gun.....

    Credo quia absurdum est....
     
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    Glock Jock Wilsonville , OR Well-Known Member

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    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    Have you seen recent drug commercials ? A half of them goes like "if you develop thoughts of suicide, stop taking XXX..."
     
  14. Glock Jock

    Glock Jock Wilsonville , OR Well-Known Member

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    Oh yeah, nothing to see here:

    This is the last post John Noveske made on his Facebook page before he was killed:

    Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
    Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
    Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
    Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
    Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
    Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
    Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
    Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
    A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
    Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
    A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
    Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
    TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
    Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
    James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
    Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
    Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
    Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
    Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
    Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
    Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
    Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
    Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
    Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
    Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
    Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
    Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
    (Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)
    Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.
    Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
    Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
    Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
    A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
    Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
    Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
    Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
    Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
    Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
    Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
    New York high school.
    Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….
    What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az
    What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado
    What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or
    What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
    Roberts is the only one that I haven’t heard about being on drugs of some kind.

    Wake up!
     
  15. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    Statement was that drugs could have played a role. And we know that unlike the guns, meds can stimulate certain behaviour, since they do interact with the brain. Stop living in the black/white world.
     
  16. ATCclears

    ATCclears Seattle area, WA Well-Known Member

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  17. Just Me

    Just Me Peoples Republik of Oregon Active Member

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    Noveske was murdered? Based on what? You examined the crash scene?
     
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    mattdomes Newberg Active Member

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    I did not think it was time for Coast to Coast AM to come on yet...
     
  19. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    The difference is the gun seller isn't selling the gun knowing it will do great harm to the purchaser.
     
  20. Hrethgir

    Hrethgir Beaverton, OR Active Member

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    A lot of those mere actually have side effects on people under 20 that are worse than what the drugs are treating. Some antidepressants even say that they can INCREASE the likelyhood of suicidal thoughts and depressioin on younger people! Doesn't say that on the bottle, but look them up online. In fact, always look up your mere before blindly taking them, there are so many out there that you can't expect your GP to remember everything about all of them. I was once given a prescription for prednisone (a steroid to help recovery after some nasal surgery) , and it gave me horrible panic attacks, or something like them. Never blindly trust your doctor, take your health into your own hands and do research!