No coincedence. John Noveske murdered? Just after he wrote about psychoactive drugs..

[clambo]

So, a nut is taking meds. We can't blame the nut, we blame the meds, just like some people say we blame the gun.....

Credo quia absurdum est....

I'm not telling people to blame anyone or anything. I am however trying to tell readers or this forum/thread to please be careful thinking that psychotropic drugs are harmless. I'm not a doctor but I can report from my own limited personal experience that the potential dangers and side effects of many antidepressants is being seriously down played if it is mentioned at all. Someone in this thread said that you can't expect your GP to remember all things about all drugs. If that's true then he shouldn't be allowed to prescribe them. At the very least he or she could look these things up and do some research. It's only your life he's messing with, right ?

 

[duginsky]

If anyone thinks mass murder is as simplistic as whether or not someone took a "psychoactive" medication, then you'd better also take a look at whether the shooters have ever been prescribed antibiotics, pain medications, anti-hypertensives, anti-epileptics...if they ever had a parent, if they were ever spanked, if they were ever not picked for the team, if they went bald early, if they had acne, if their IQ was average, if they wore cheap shoes...if you're not willing to make the distinction between correlation and causation, then your opinions are going to be driven by a lack of independent, rational thought and you are going to make as broad of a generalization as "guns are bad...".

 

[Glock Jock]

If anyone thinks mass murder is as simplistic as whether or not someone took a "psychoactive" medication, then you'd better also take a look at whether the shooters have ever been prescribed antibiotics, pain medications, anti-hypertensives, anti-epileptics...if they ever had a parent, if they were ever spanked, if they were ever not picked for the team, if they went bald early, if they had acne, if their IQ was average, if they wore cheap shoes...if you're not willing to make the distinction between correlation and causation, then your opinions are going to be driven by a lack of independent, rational thought and you are going to make as broad of a generalization as "guns are bad...".

Almost all of these tragedies in America since Columbine has had people on anti-psychotics and anti-depressants and we're simple-idiots because we aren't concerned about whether or not they had cheap shoes or if they were getting spankees? Thanks Dr. Phil but I'll just try to stick with the facts. Stupid pimple-faced, poor kids have been getting their a$$-whipped a long time but these school shootings and the like came after the drugs not before.

 

[g.i. joe]

This an article from NaturalNews.com
(NaturalNews) What you are about to read is astonishing. I'm not even sure what's the right conclusion to draw from it. But here's what we know so far:


John Noveske is one of the most celebrated battle rifle manufacturers in America. His rifles, found at Noveske Rifleworks, LLC. are widely recognized as some of the finest pieces of American-made hardware ever created. (I own one of his rifles, and it's a masterpiece of a machine that just keeps on running.) Sadly, John Noveske was killed in a mysterious car crash just a few days ago, on January 4, 2013.

According to the Outdoor Wire, his car "traveled across the oncoming lane onto the dirt highway shoulder until it struck two large boulders. The vehicle rolled and Mr. Noveske was ejected."

But barely a week before this incident, John Noveske posted a lengthy, detailed post on Facebook that listed all the school shootings tied to psychiatric drugs. At the end of the post, he asked, "What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on?"

That was the last post he ever made.

See full story here

 

[RLW]

I have to say I am a little skeptical of the idea that Noveske was murdered. With that said, I do believe that medications (not just psych meds but all of them) are bad for you. There are people who have no choice on taking a medication such as people who are born with an illness, but anyone else should avoid them at all cost. Unfortunately the main cost of avoiding medication legitimately is taking care of yourself and most people have no interest in that.

 

[Just Me]

What is the mysterious part of this crash? People crash every day and those who choose to not buckle up have a greater chance of injury or death. Pretty simple.

 

[clambo]

I have to say I am a little skeptical of the idea that Noveske was murdered. With that said, I do believe that medications (not just psych meds but all of them) are bad for you. There are people who have no choice on taking a medication such as people who are born with an illness, but anyone else should avoid them at all cost. Unfortunately the main cost of avoiding medication legitimately is taking care of yourself and most people have no interest in that.

As my wife is fond of saying, " I'm willing to do anything to lose weight.....except change my diet or exercise. "

 

[duginsky]

Almost all of these tragedies in America since Columbine has had people on anti-psychotics and anti-depressants and we're simple-idiots because we aren't concerned about whether or not they had cheap shoes or if they were getting spankees? Thanks Dr. Phil but I'll just try to stick with the facts. Stupid pimple-faced, poor kids have been getting their a$$-whipped a long time but these school shootings and the like came after the drugs not before.

I think you missed the point that mass murder cannot be reduced to a single cause; the other considerations are tongue-in-cheek, but the internet doesn't always accommodate nuance...if everyone who has been prescribed an antipsychotic or antidepressant went on a shooting or other type of killing spree, there wouldn't be many of us left. I don't recall that Charles Starkweather, Lee Oswald, Ted Bundy, Dick Hickok, Perry Smith, Anders Breivik, Mohamed Atta, Hani Hanjour, John Gacy, et al were taking or had taken any class of psychotropics. However, if you are invested in the eradication of psychotropic medications, it might be time to invest in a remarkable infrastructure to accommodate the repercussions of that. Are psychotropics for everyone? Of course not...are they over- or carelessly prescribed? Absolutely. Are there some people for whom they are appropriate? Yes. Is big pharma bad? Probably. I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, though...

 

[Burt Gummer]

Pharms spend 19x more funds marketing to already dumbed-down Americans than they do on research and certification of drugs. They really don't have to try that hard with the FDA in their back pocket.

Honor people like Noveske by keeping their message alive.

Pharmaceutical Companies Spent 19 Times More On Self-Promotion Than Basic Research: Report

A 650 billion dollar industry of pushers and complicit doctors.

http://communities.washingtontimes....11/mar/27/dark-secrets-drug-industry-exposed/

"When you realize what is being sold to you as a "remedy" you will realize
how you are playing Russian Roulette with yours and your children's lives."

 

[joe dierte]

Anyone even considering taking any of these destructive drugs from their pimp (doctor) should sit down and learn the truth first. But the sheep happily drink Fluoride and get Mercury-laden vaccines for their kids, so don't expect the 98% to grow any backbone or braincells anytime soon.

Americas need for a quick fix for everything is the reason for druging rather than counseling, but I cant stand the anti vaccine propaganda. Thinking a vaccine is worse than the diseases that killed countless people before their invention is ignorant.

 

[Grunwald]

Have you seen recent drug commercials ? A half of them goes like "if you develop thoughts of suicide, stop taking XXX..."

What is ironic is that side effect is present in a lot of anti-depresants.

Hmm. Feeling depressed? Take this pill and you should feel better. However there is a chance that you might feel so much worse that you'll want to blow your brains out.
Thanks but no thanks.

 

[sheepdip]

not only the side affects in anti-depresants. have you seen the possible side affects for all the other crap that they are peddling. flippin amazing. just what I need , lukimia, t.b. insomnia, dry mouth, menopause, liver disease, all because my butt itches!

 

[arisaka]

Sounds like another conspiracy theory crock of bubblegum.

 

[Benny503]

And now everyone forget about "fast and furious", exactly like what they want everyone focus on.
They tried to released zombies in Florida, but that did not work!

Conspiracy or not only only few people know we are not them

 

[Misterbill]

Oh yeah, nothing to see here:

This is the last post John Noveske made on his Facebook page before he was killed:

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)
Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.
Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.
Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….
What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az
What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado
What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or
What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
Roberts is the only one that I haven’t heard about being on drugs of some kind.

Wake up!

So let me get this straight: People known to have had serious mental illness were prescibed drugs and subsequently killed people, therefore, the DRUGS were the cause, rather than the underlying mental illness and a thousand societal/family issues had were insignificant.

BULL-PUCKEY!

Causation does not equal CORRELATION. I suggest you take a decent 300 level class in psychological or sociological studies. While both of these disciplines are sadly compromised by PC BS, the actual scientists involved in research are very smart people for the most part. They are usually the first ones to call BS on these kinds of things.

This is more conspiracy theory. Occam's Razor: Is it more likely that he was murdered by multi-billion-dollar a year corporations to silence him when they could have EASILY discredited him, or that he was just in an accident? If you answer the first, you're an idiot. No nice way to put it. Have fun eating all that gold you bought in 2011.

 

[g.i. joe]

If anyone thinks mass murder is as simplistic as whether or not someone took a "psychoactive" medication, then you'd better also take a look at whether the shooters have ever been prescribed antibiotics, pain medications, anti-hypertensives, anti-epileptics...if they ever had a parent, if they were ever spanked, if they were ever not picked for the team, if they went bald early, if they had acne, if their IQ was average, if they wore cheap shoes...if you're not willing to make the distinction between correlation and causation, then your opinions are going to be driven by a lack of independent, rational thought and you are going to make as broad of a generalization as "guns are bad...".

Psychiatrists and Drug Mfr's. do not even know how these drugs work, its purely speculation on their part what affect they have on the brain. Its jacking with the mind. The same reason you dont drink and drive, operate machinery, shoot guns etc., its not responsible. These people are issuing drugs that have very little testing, they dont know how they work, etc., then they send these people out into society (to sit back and watch their experiment unfold?). I would speculate there are quite a few people on this forum who take these drugs. Also, its been my experience that the people who defend the use of these drugs are the ones taking them.

 

[Burt Gummer]

If people really believe that people would not be murdered to protect a 650 billion a year criminal industry, they are shortsighted to say the least. Not saying Noveske was murdered. Just saying that if you are going to seriously cut into the profits of these mobsters you are most likely going to die early.

Certainly, no bought and paid for politician, ie - all of them, would dare speak out against the pharms.

 

[duginsky]

Psychiatrists and Drug Mfr's. do not even know how these drugs work, its purely speculation on their part what affect they have on the brain. Its jacking with the mind. The same reason you dont drink and drive, operate machinery, shoot guns etc., its not responsible. These people are issuing drugs that have very little testing, they dont know how they work, etc., then they send these people out into society (to sit back and watch their experiment unfold?). I would speculate there are quite a few people on this forum who take these drugs. Also, its been my experience that the people who defend the use of these drugs are the ones taking them.

...and there are probably a few people on this forum who SHOULD be taking an antipsychotic medication...

 

[8ball]

There are plenty of natural treatments and dietary changes that 'cure' most of what ails us. Those who suffer or die of cancer do so out of ignorance. The preventative cure for cancer has been around since the 50s. But, of course, the 98%, the authority worshipers will hear nothing of that .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYMduufa-E + https://www.apricotpower.com/ = let others worry about cancer.

Burt, I sincerely hope nobody in your family ever catches cancer, or you'll learn how ignorant (and offensive) that statement is.

 

[Partsproduction]

The existence and propagation of conspiracy theories has created a peculiar opportunity to those wishing to commit a black psyop. That is, if there are, and have recently been, a large number of wild conspiracy theories out there about government conspiracies, whether or not any of them are true, it creates a scenario where "Normal" people develop a thick skin towards such theories.

After this scenario is well developed an agency could do just about anything it wanted to and people would no longer want to examine the possibility that there is any truth to them, because, after all, we all want to be "normal".

It would be much easier to get away with something like that if there were thousands of people constantly throwing out such possibilities. Also, the more government hides what it is doing the more CT's there will be, naturally.

My contention is that to get away with a mass murder it would help if many people speculated about the truth while very few knew about it.