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New Question (For Me) When purchasing a firearm??

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by S3v3n, Oct 18, 2015.

  1. S3v3n

    S3v3n Beaverton, Or Active Member

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    So I was down at Fisherman's today picking up a rifle. And they asked me if I had purchased 2 or more firearms in the last 5 days. I asked him what was with that question and he told me that if I did the ATF wants to know why. Now I have never had this question asked before.

    Have any of you?
     
  2. DieselScout

    DieselScout S Clackamas County Well-Known Member

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    We just had a thread on this. I have purchased two at the same time and never been asked. I don't k ow if it's on the 4473, I haven't memorized the form.
     
  3. S3v3n

    S3v3n Beaverton, Or Active Member

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    It's not on the 4473. Sorry I didn't know there was another thread on it I will look.
     
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  4. Oathkeeper1775

    Oathkeeper1775 Coast Range Well-Known Member

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    Maybe they think you're working for fast and furious....:oops:
     
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  5. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Do you happen to look like this guy by any chance?

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHD-0B2f2zAWIcxMXe4bNs6s91wyHBnGGCg7h0rbn3WRE2Dh5Y.jpg
     
  6. S3v3n

    S3v3n Beaverton, Or Active Member

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    LOL well no I don't look like that.
     
  7. mkwerx

    mkwerx Forest Grove, OR Well-Known Member

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    Buy two or more handguns in a short period and atf gets notified. Its retarded.
     
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  8. BoonDocks36

    BoonDocks36 Oregon, in the boondocks Christian. Conservative. Male.

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    Answer No.

    1. It is not the Store's Business to do the BATFEKXYZ Alphabet Agencies Work.
    2. It is Not Illegal to purchase any number you wish to buy.
    3. The BATFEQRXYZ agency should deal with their Own Incompetence before trying to decide someone else needs looking after.

    (If you bought Ten 22LR Cricket Rifles, to help the Appleseed Project, I am sure you would be given the label of Terrorist by the SPLC, run by a pedaphile!)

    philip
     
  9. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    I would answer "I'm not sure, can I have the 4473 now?"

    I doubt any counter jockey will give it any thought beyond that.
     
  10. Bill Siegle

    Bill Siegle Oregon Active Member

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    There is something about buying two or more guns in a short time cuts the cost of the background check down by half. I think it's two or three days. Most clerks don't ask or know about it till you tell em.
     
  11. B5Ben

    B5Ben Boise Well-Known Member

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    I think its actually just one day. If you run a second check the same day, most will only charge $5 instead of $10 for the BGC.
     
  12. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Have a friend who has an FFL. Some time ago they came up with a regulation that if you buy two guns or more it has to be reported. It was some time ago and I don't recall the reason why.
     
  13. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    IF!!! If they don't know it's none of their business. Unless they have done paper work on you and you went over the number? What is it? then they don't need to know anything more
    And the ATF knowing why is BS,they just want a record of it
     
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  14. RLS

    RLS milwaukie Active Member

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    I have never been asked but if the ATF was wanting this info. i would think they would revise the 4473 so we had to answer on a federal form.
     
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  15. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    Ive never been ask, and its far more common that I buy more than one than just one on a 4473.

    The FFL is required to send in a second form to the ATF if you buy 2 or more HANDGUNS within 5 days of each other. You can buy as many rifles as you want with no additional form required.

    But they have always just done it for me, no questions ask (meaning I have no input in any way nor a choice)
     
  16. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Probably looking for straw buyers.

    They hate competition
     
  17. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    From the ATF's website, if "certain rifles" (see below) are sold to the same person within 5 days, it must be reported on a separate form. It is a regulation.

    Did you purchase a semi auto rifle with detachable magazine?

    Here:
    Q1. What is a multiple sale of certain rifles?

    A1. A multiple sale occurs when a licensed dealer or pawnbroker sells or otherwise disposes of, at one time or during any five consecutive business days, more than one semiautomatic rifle capable of accepting a detachable magazine and with a caliber greater than .22 (including .223/5.56 caliber) to an unlicensed person.

    Example 1. A licensee sells two rifles in a single transaction to an unlicensed person. This is a multiple sale and must be reported not later than the close of business on the date of the transaction.

    Example 2. A licensee sells a rifle on Monday and sells a rifle on the following Friday to the same unlicensed person. This is a multiple sale and must be reported no later than the close of business on Friday. If the licensee sells another rifle to the same unlicensed person on the following Monday, this would constitute an additional multiple sale and must also be reported not later than the close of business on Monday. In addition, the licensee would check ‘Yes’ in Item 2c and place Friday’s date in Item 2c on the ATF Form 3310.12.

    Example 3. A licensee maintaining business hours Monday through Saturday sells a rifle to an unlicensed person on Monday and sells another rifle to the same person on the following Saturday. This does not constitute a multiple sale and need not be reported because the sales did not occur during five consecutive business days.

    NOTE: Some possible ways to detect multiple sales include, but are not limited to: (a) daily review of ATF Forms 4473 spanning the past five days; (b) daily review of disposition records spanning the past five days; (c) maintaining a calendar of daily sales to unlicensed persons (ideally with each purchaser listed alphabetically); and (d) maintaining a record of daily sales to unlicensed persons (ideally with each purchaser listed alphabetically)

    Q2. What types of rifles are required to be reported?

    A2. The rifle transactions that must be reported are dispositions of semiautomatic rifles capable of accepting a detachable magazine and with a caliber greater than .22 (including .223/5.56 caliber) to an unlicensed person. However, the reporting requirement does not apply to receivers for such rifles. You may contact the Firearms Technology Branch at (304) 616-4300 if you are unable to determine if the rifles are subject to the reporting requirements.
     
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  18. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Like on "The sum of all fears" i'm not afraid of the guy with 20,000 nukes, I'm terrified of the guy who just wants one."

    ARs are addictive. If you have one, you will soon have two.......or 5.
     
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  19. RLS

    RLS milwaukie Active Member

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    Thanks that clears things up. So a lower is considered a firearm when it comes to the 4473 but not in the case of multiple purchases on form 3310.12 .
     
  20. B5Ben

    B5Ben Boise Well-Known Member

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    Isn't that the truth;)
     
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