M855 Ammo Ban

[Member 3687]

And it just so happens that Sig and some other companies make AR10 pistols in .308 and .243. So what ammo is next.

Also AR15 pistols in .300 black out, .204, 7.62x39 are and can be built so we should ban the ammo now before something bad happens. Just in case.

 

[Bigfoot]

Use a CD printer to make as many parts as possible and call it a 'non-detectable cop-killer pistol!!'

We've seen this movie before.

How a 5 lb 2 foot long firearm could be considered concealable and therefore useful to a criminal I don't know but that's what they are claiming about the AR15 pistol.

 

[Riot]

Remember, this didn't start with 5.56 guys...the ATF has been out of control for a while- interpreting their own "rulings" at will with a general interpretation of the Gun Control Act...so even if we "win" against the M855, the ATF still needs to GOOOOO

 

[etrain16]

Hopefully everyone is continuing a flood of mails/emails and calls to the ATF and to all of your elected representatives. I took the opportunity to remind a few of them that have consistently voted against our 2nd Amendment rights that they are elected to represent the whole state, not the personal political interests of Portland and their party. I was fairly nice, but direct and told them what my expectations were of them.

Remember too, that form letters (several are floating around out there) are nice, but a letter you write yourself will often get more notice. We saw this with one of the Clackamas County commissioners (Paul Savas) recently who stated he was counting, but not reading the 'form letter' style emails, but was taking the time to actually read emails that were crafted by an individual.

 

[jluck]

Exactly. I am becoming worried about our government. It is doing so many things that just seem so un-American. And many others that just make no sense at all.

It seems "It" isn't even half American these last few years....

All Government employees are our B!TCHES! We need to let them know that again.

 

[U8395279]

And it just so happens that Sig and some other companies make AR10 pistols in .308 and .243. So what ammo is next.

Also AR15 pistols in .300 black out, .204, 7.62x39 are and can be built so we should ban the ammo now before something bad happens. Just in case.

OMG, you are right! SIG does make an AR10 pistol in 308 Win!!

What kinds of idiots are working at SIG???

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p716-12-psb.aspx


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[U8395279]

http://www.dsarms.com/p-13270-sa58-tactical-pistol-825-barrel-762x51mm-cal-semi-auto.aspx

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/com...-firearms-exclusive-2412-detail.html?Itemid=0

The Product Managers at these companies that are responsible for this should all be fired for incompetence.

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[U201491]

Reboot time

 

[U8395279]

When will it all end? We have the potential lead hunting ammo ban coming soon too. And it too, will just be a new regulation from bureaucrats, and not any new law past by a legislative body.

 

[Uberdillo]

Make sure to throw in some belated "Booos" for guys like then president of Olympic Arms Robert C. Schuetz and his 7.62x39 pistol which ultimately lead to the 1994 ban. Not like there was some governmental agency that arguably banned import before the first pistol was sold or anything like that.

 

[Member 3687]

Lance Jacobs

OMG, you are right! SIG does make an AR10 pistol in 308 Win!!
What kinds of idiots are working at SIG???

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p716-12-psb.aspx

The Product Managers at these companies that are responsible for this should all be fired for incompetence.

Uperdillo

Make sure to throw in some belated "Booos" for guys like then president of Olympic Arms Robert C. Schuetz and his 7.62x39 pistol which ultimately lead to the 1994 ban. Not like there was some governmental agency that arguably banned import before the first pistol was sold or anything like that.


I hate to tell you folks but the AR pistol has been around for a very long time and it is not the blame for this ammo issue in my opinion it is the American people who allowed the government to have that much control on our lives. Folks need to remember they work for us, we do not work for them and we are not their slaves, but we act like we are.

I remember the 86 cop killer bullet ban and when it all came about and how if I remember right no cops had been killed with said ammo then either. It was just government control back then and it is no different now and yes I wrote letters and call my representatives back then like I do now.

Then with the 94 importation ban as well as the 94 Assault weapons ban that came about partially because of the 89 Stockton, Ca shooting and several others at that time. At that time polls showed that the American public was not pro gun and the vast shooting public did not care as it did not affect their shotgun or hunting rifle.

Feinstein wanted to ban all guns but did not have the votes and it came out later that they where afraid of civil unrest and because of this and the response they got from what pro gun organizations that existed at the time and the little public response it was set in place for a 10 year period.

They also felt in 2004 when the sunset provision kicked into place it would get voted back in and would be made into a permanent ban and law of the land but because of the American people and the folks we elected it was shot down in 2004 and left to expire.

I bring this up because maybe you aren't an AR pistol fan or use green tip M855 or SS109 ammo, maybe you do not agree with rifle carry, open carry, constitutional carry, SBR's, SBS's, machineguns or the fact someone is wandering around in full battle gear like he is ready for war but if they are not a threat to anybody and it has no effect on your life then in my opinion you need to support them.

If you do not support them and we lose that freedom or in many cases not get that freedom back then we become more of the problem than the Anti Gun folks. We can only win this fight if we stand together.

We have many "God-given" or "natural" rights and no one can take them away unless we allow them to. Some of the founders felt so strong about many of them they became the bill of rights to make sure the government did not infringe on them. They had just fought a war for those freedoms and many folks lost life, limb and personal fortunes and wanted to make sure they would not be taken away again.

The one we relate to here is the Second Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Yet we have allowed the government to infringe on it time and time again "for the greater good" of the government and not the people. The Second Amendment was put into place so the government will fear the people and not the people to fear the government. Yet many of us fear the government from the BATFE to the IRS just because they keep changing the rules and we might make a mistake.

Over the years many Americans have joined the military and fought for a belief that they where preserving the freedoms gained by our forefathers only to come home to find those freedoms have been taken away or heavily restricted.

So if there is blame to be had it is not the gun manufactures or the ammo companies or even the bad guys that use these items to commit horrendous crimes we can only blame ourselves for not fighting hard enough to keep our rights with the same life, limb or personal fortunes that our founders once did.

We as a gun community can and will win if we stand together and fight even if you do not always agree what the other is doing.

So I agree we need to stand up, join together and give them the boot.

Sorry for the rant but I am tired of trying to being the good guy that follows the rules to the best of my ability and yet I am the one that has to jump through hoops, give blood and a stool sample to be able to retain a small bit of heavily regulated freedom while the bad guy says screw the law and will do what they want as written law has no effect on them.

 

[Member 3687]

EXCLUSIVE: Common AR-15 Green Tip Ammunition Already Banned in New ATF Regulation Guide

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/06/exclusive-atf-has-already-banned-common-at15-green-tip-ammunition-n1966761

Well it looks like BATFE may have all ready banned M855 and SS109 if this story is correct they just forgot to tell anybody and the input from the public is just a BS misdirection.

Welcome to the new world order of a lawless dictator..

 

[U8395279]

EXCLUSIVE: Common AR-15 Green Tip Ammunition Already Banned in New ATF Regulation Guide

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/06/exclusive-atf-has-already-banned-common-at15-green-tip-ammunition-n1966761

Well it looks like BATFE may have all ready banned M855 and SS109 if this story is correct they just forgot to tell anybody and the input from the public is just a BS misdirection.

Welcome to the new world order of a lawless dictator..

So this 30 day comment period has all just been a dog and pony show by the ATF, and is totally meaningless.

How can our government be so disingenuous with the public?

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[PrDubi]

all part of the process....all part of the plan.

 

[RicInOR]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/5...ans-say-2nd-amendment-at-risk/article/2561295

52 senators warn of sweeping ammo bans, say Second Amendment 'at risk'

 

[Martini_Up]

will they ban the battle field pickup of guns and ammo as well?

 

[PrDubi]

Just get the darn thing going. Ban ammo.The Bundy ranch was an almost to civil war II. Just wait when they bam blame ban everything ....we will see where the chips fall. I'm not some militia or warlord junkie..mmmm just really tired of the games...this Chinese style death of a thousand cuts.

 

[Sam Kinard]

The people are too blank lazy to do squat anymore. That is shown more every day.
Too many complacent freebie takers and wannabe Marxists and the rest are in a
solid state of terminal apathy. Anyone left over is in a state of hopelessness.
I was thinking a real 1776 might happen before 2016, but the more I see the
chance of that is near zero. They can't even do what is needed to nullify areally bad law.

We can absolutely do what is needed. The problem is, every time we want to act like Americans, the subjects claim we'll "make them look bad". Then, any time someone writes something that appears to defy this illegal regime, it is swiftly deleted from the record.

So, what is it you're doing to "fight" this? Are you simply signing the petition, or actually preparing to act like an American? You speak of complacency, yet there are so many of us that left cities to make real lives and real stands in places with like-minded individuals. The real laziness lies in those that somehow believe they can "talk down" rabid Anti's. "Compromise" implies that at some point the Anti's will say "Hey, you've given up enough. We're happy now.". Do you really think that will happen? Is The 2A just a decoration, or an actual right, to be used when necessary?

I didn't make The Constitution, I'm just here to help enforce it.

 

[PrDubi]

I did apts for my reps and visited the offices of Wyden amd Merkeley to register my complaint. Rep told me I was the first.

 

[PrDubi]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/10/atf-shelves-controversial-bullet-ban-proposal/