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M855 Ammo Ban

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by TastyWheat87, Feb 13, 2015.

  1. TastyWheat87

    TastyWheat87 Washington Active Member

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    https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150213/batfe-to-ban-common-ar-15-ammo

    In a move clearly intended by the Obama Administration to suppress the acquisition, ownership and use of AR-15s and other .223 caliber general purpose rifles, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives unexpectedly announced today that it intends to ban commonplace M855 ball ammunition as “armor piercing ammunition.” The decision continues Obama’s use of his executive authority to impose gun control restrictions and bypass Congress.

    It isn’t even the third week of February, and the BATFE has already taken three major executive actions on gun control. First, it was a major change to what activities constitute regulated “manufacturing” of firearms. Next, BATFE reversed a less than year old position on firing a shouldered “pistol.” Now, BATFE has released a“Framework for Determining Whether Certain Projectiles are ‘Primarily Intended for Sporting Purposes’ Within the Meaning of 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(c)”, which would eliminate M855’s exemption to the armor piercing ammunition prohibition and make future exemptions nearly impossible.

    By way of background, federal law imposed in 1986 prohibits the manufacture, importation, and sale by licensed manufacturers or importers, but not possession, of “a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely . . . from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium.” Because there are handguns capable of firing M855, it “may be used in a handgun.” It does not, however, have a core made of the metals listed in the law; rather, it has a traditional lead core with a steel tip, and therefore should never have been considered “armor piercing.” Nonetheless, BATFE previously declared M855 to be “armor piercing ammunition,” but granted it an exemption as a projectile “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.”

    Now, however, BATFE says that it will henceforth grant the “sporting purposes” exception to only two categories of projectiles:

    Category I: .22 Caliber Projectiles
    A .22 caliber projectile that otherwise would be classified as armor piercing ammunition under 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(B) will be considered to be “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes” under section 921(a)(17)(C) if the projectile weighs 40 grains or less AND is loaded into a rimfire cartridge.

    Category II: All Other Caliber Projectiles
    Except as provided in Category I (.22 caliber rimfire), projectiles that otherwise would be classified as armor piercing ammunition will be presumed to be “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes” under section 921(a)(17)(C) if the projectile is loaded into a cartridge for which the only handgun that is readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade is a single shot handgun. ATF nevertheless retains the discretion to deny any application for a “sporting purposes” exemption if substantial evidence exists that the ammunition is not primarily intended for such purposes.

    BATFE is accepting comments until March 16, 2015 on this indefensible attempt to disrupt ammunition for the most popular rifle in America. Check back early next week for a more in-depth analysis of this “framework” and details on how you can submit comments.


    HOW TO COMMENT:
    How to comment – from the BATFE
    ATF will carefully consider all comments, as appropriate, received on or before March 16, 2015, and will give comments received after that date the same consideration if it is practical to do so, but assurance of consideration cannot be given except as to comments received on or before March 16, 2015. ATF will not acknowledge receipt of comments. Submit comments in any of three ways (but do not submit the same comments multiple times or by more than one method):

    ATF email: APAComments@atf.gov

    Fax: (202) 648-9741.

    Mail: Denise Brown, Mailstop 6N-602, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Enforcement Programs and Services, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226: ATTN: AP Ammo Comments.

    FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Denise Brown, Enforcement Programs and Services, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, U.S. Department of Justice, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226; telephone: (202) 648-7070.
     
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  2. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    Well ya know there is only so much time left in D.C. for the destructive forces on the 2A.

    1000 cuts......
     
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  3. bnsaibum

    bnsaibum Corvallis, OR Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer

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    Umm... what?!?

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150213/batfe-to-ban-common-ar-15-ammo

    Don't forget this bit at the end:
     
  4. Flopsweat

    Flopsweat Slightly right of center Well-Known Member

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    These people are out of control. This whole thing serves no purpose other than to punish gun owners.
     
  5. mkwerx

    mkwerx Forest Grove, OR Well-Known Member

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    No more milsurp ammo with penetrator. Not exactly the cheapest stuff out there, not the most expensive, but not the cheapest either.
     
  6. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Whatever. If I have a need to punch thru body armor, I'll grab a 30-06...
     
  7. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    It's a rifle cartridge...it's SUPPOSED to go through Level IIIA armor!


    This (and the recent reversal of the Sig Arm Brace) leads me more to believe that the ATF are trying to regulate pistols that fire rifle calibers...this seems like G3 pistols, AK pistols and AR pistols will be effected by this "armor piercing" clause...not just >40gr .223/5.56 bullets.
     
  8. timac

    timac Loading Magazines! Well-Known Member

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    Got to love Americas freedom!
     
  9. MountainBear

    MountainBear Sweet Home, OR Well-Known Member

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    These people are smart. They realize all they need to do is something fairly minor (albeit stupid) and it will send gun owners clamoring all over each other to stockpile ammo. The sad thing is that the government doesn't need to ban anything. All they need is a well placed whisper and gun owners will go back to being each other's own worst enemy. The ammo shortages that have plagued us for the last several years will rear their nasty little heads again.

    For the record, I don't agree with this move by this administration, nor have I agreed with any of their other anti-2nd amendment moves. But sadly, they seem to realize that they don't have to actually ban anything to accomplish their goals.
     
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  10. Derbarbarian

    Derbarbarian Seattle New Member

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    Next thing you know they'll try to ban all of the surplus 7.62x54 steel core.
     
  11. TastyWheat87

    TastyWheat87 Washington Active Member

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    HOW TO COMMENT:
    How to comment – from the BATFE
    ATF will carefully consider all comments, as appropriate, received on or before March 16, 2015, and will give comments received after that date the same consideration if it is practical to do so, but assurance of consideration cannot be given except as to comments received on or before March 16, 2015. ATF will not acknowledge receipt of comments. Submit comments in any of three ways (but do not submit the same comments multiple times or by more than one method):

    ATF email: APAComments@atf.gov

    Fax: (202) 648-9741.

    Mail: Denise Brown, Mailstop 6N-602, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Enforcement Programs and Services, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226: ATTN: AP Ammo Comments.

    FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Denise Brown, Enforcement Programs and Services, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, U.S. Department of Justice, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226; telephone: (202) 648-7070.
     
  12. i3izzy

    i3izzy FG, OR Active Member

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    Yep. I saw prices on line last night for $0.30 cents a round, now there is nothing less then $0.40. I imagine by the end of the day we will be closer to $0.50 if not worse...
     
  13. 223to45

    223to45 Whatcom Active Member

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    Well some company was working on a pistol. So as soon that is ready it will be banned.
     
  14. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    This is a real drag. I shoot a lot of 62gr stuff. I much prefer it to 55 gr ball. I went looking this morning and already there is little federal available. I found some import M855 and bought a few cases but had to pay 20% more than I have been( .40/rd). I fear that even as we speak the days of .33-.35 m855 are over for good. I bet within a week there will be none to be had and I doubt that it wil be back on the shelf before the ban takes effect (if it passes)
     
  15. i3izzy

    i3izzy FG, OR Active Member

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    Yeah I checked the online prices last night, and I could find a good amount of it for 30 cents a round shipped, now it isn't below 40 cents a round plus shipping. I wouldn't be to surprised if we see it up over 50 cents a round real soon.
     
  16. slimer13

    slimer13 Deer Park Well-Known Member

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    But I thought the legislative branch made the laws that govern us?:confused:
     
  17. 3MTA3

    3MTA3 DMZ between Liberty and Tyranny Behind Enemy Lines Bronze Supporter

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    The citizens governing themselves is different than the elite governing the citizens to control them. This is a blatant attempt to circumvent the 2A. You can have the gun, but without ammo (this is just the first step) it is an expensive club.
     
  18. captqc

    captqc Tigard Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    It's just because that what comes out the end of those scary black assault weapons!:eek:
     
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  19. Martini_Up

    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    The government will soon declare it's independence from the people.
     
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  20. Martini_Up

    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    Ala, Olympic Arms Int'l / OA93 and chicom x39.