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Same states that won't allow you to have a binary trigger.Semi automatic triggers are 50 state legal. Yet they won't ship to certain states…
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Same states that won't allow you to have a binary trigger.Semi automatic triggers are 50 state legal. Yet they won't ship to certain states…
I'm not saying they won't. I'm addressing the point of why they don't ship to certain states. They're gray area and nobody wants to the the test dummy. Binary triggers were best addressed in this thread on RedditDon't drink that Kool aid. It's just a matter of time before the ATF comes down on the FRT.
dircs said:Oh boy, here we go. Standard disclaimer, not legal advice, not your attorney, etc etc.
First, the answer: binary triggers are not expressly legal or illegal in Washington. I have heard requests for clarification have been made to the AG and no answer was given, but I cannot confirm this as true or not.
Here's why:
RCW 9.41.010 defines machine gun differently than 26 U.S. Code § 5845. Specifically:
[RCW](https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.010):
>(18) "Machine gun" means any firearm known as a machine gun, mechanical rifle, submachine gun, or any other mechanism or instrument not requiring that the trigger be pressed for each shot and having a reservoir clip, disc, drum, belt, or other separable mechanical device for storing, carrying, or supplying ammunition which can be loaded into the firearm, mechanism, or instrument, and fired therefrom at the rate of five or more shots per second.
[USC](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5845):
>The term "machinegun" means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.
I put the relevant difference in bold.
The ATF has [approved binary triggers](https://www.facebook.com/franklin.armory/posts/recently-we-received-a-response-from-the-atf-regarding-our-binary-firing-system-/598927733573632/) under the federal definition (Franklin Armory facebook post on the subject, sorry that's the most authoritative source I could quickly find), so no questions there.
As to the state, the question remains whether each action of the trigger is a separate "press" of the trigger. There is no legal answer to this. There is no court case that addresses this. Manufacturers do not want the liability, so they do not sell to Washington. The majority of the legislature is not interested in any expansion of firearm ownership and therefore will not be clarifying the statute in a way most here would consider positive. The AG's office is demonstrably opposed to even maintaining current firearm rights, so no reasonable explanation will come from them.
Personally, I think its a reasonable interpretation that a binary trigger is legal in Washington. You press the trigger towards you to fire, a spring presses the trigger away from you on release to fire. Two separate presses.
With that being said, the bottom line is that unless you are willing to be charged with a felony and fight this up to the state Supreme Court, which is another organization in Washington which is not particularly friendly to expansion of firearm rights, you don't want to own a binary trigger. I cannot afford to be and do not want to be that person, so I do not own and do not recommend anyone else in Washington own a binary trigger.
They've, that guy who owns the company, probably has quite the bankroll given he's sold thousands of triggers that cost him $50 for $400 a pop. America F yeahI tend to be a realist. Sooner or later the ATF or a state attorney general is going to take them to court and have them shut down. They might win in the end if they can afford the legal fees.
If they are smart, they won't keep all those cookies in one jar. So when they have their assets seized, they make it out with a good amount of $$$$$.They've, that guy who owns the company, probably has quite the bankroll given he's sold thousands of triggers that cost him $50 for $400 a pop. America F yeah
The hammer and the trigger one piece? There's a hammer and there's a trigger. There's a disconnectors of sorts although it's a different design. It functions differently than an M16 trigger to be sure but in neither does the shooter release the trigger. The key being in both the carrier causes the trigger or hammer to be released while still under trigger tension. By the companies own admission no sample was given to the ATF for approval. It's a matter of time.
Yeah the exact sme way an M16 actuates. You could push the carrier with your fingers an inch a week. It would do the same thing. Bolt closes, hammer falls as long as you are pulling the trigger.The kinetic energy of the recoil is stored in the buffer spring and then released again. So ya the energy is coming from the buffer spring but it originated as a recoil impulse from a fired round.
I used to have 2 but sold one kinda wish I would've kept it. I wanted to put it in a cmmg 9mm that takes colt mags. The one I have now lives in my colt 11.5" upper pistol build with a generic lower.Yeah the exact same way an M16 actuates. You could push it with your fingers an inch a week. It would do the same thing
Do you own one
So lets dispense with the kinetic energy bump trigger theory if you have one. You know it doesnt actually work that way.I used to have 2 but sold one kinda wish I would've kept it. I wanted to put it in a cmmg 9mm that takes colt mags. The one I have now lives in my colt 11.5" upper pistol build with a generic lower.
The ATF hasnt evaluated one that I know of. Rare breed certainly didnt send them a sample. One they do get one in their hands , if they havent (?) already , esecially if someone does something inappropriate with one its over.I mean what your saying makes sense but what makes you think they will get banned other than the fact that politicians are bubblegums.
When are you going to be in a serious firefightIMHO, binary and FRT FCGs and bumpstocks aren't anything I would want in a serious fighting rifle. They work just fine on a video, but in a real situation of existential peril they increase the chances of a malf. They require a different set of learned behaviors from a "regular" autoloader, which is just what I don't need with my life on the line.