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To my way of thinking the .40 S&W should have been called the 10mm S&W Special. I've been told (by a S&W executive) that that name hadn't even been suggested! Go figure.
I like 10mm short magnum better..
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To my way of thinking the .40 S&W should have been called the 10mm S&W Special. I've been told (by a S&W executive) that that name hadn't even been suggested! Go figure.
I'm hanging on to my 4006, even though I just qualified with a glock 22.... I really like the 3rd gen smith. It tames the 40, even with +p loads..
I'm hanging on to my 4006, even though I just qualified with a glock 22.... I really like the 3rd gen smith. It tames the 40, even when shooting my handloads...
If you should ever decide that you have too much of it, I seem to be unable (imagine that) to convince any brass maker to produce a short run. After wanting the caliber for decades, Last year I bought an Action Arms High Power conversion (barrel,mag, spring) plus 40 rounds of IMI HP ammo, about 40 handloads and 90 rounds of new brass for $140. Have emailed Speer, IMI/Samson, even PRVI Partizan in Serbia! So far no takers. Heck, I may have to start a .41 AE blog to get some interest. I note that, on the 30th anniversary of the cartridge, .41AE dies sell every time they're listed on eBay, so the shooters are out there. And, a 210 grain at 900-950 is pretty danged lethal.The .41 AE was developed by Action Arms (Philadelphia) VP Evan Whildin in 1986 (50AE in 1988). It is based on a shortened .41 mag with a rebated rim. The idea was that it could be fired in the same guns as a 9mm, with only barrel and spring change. I have two Tanfoglio TA-90s that can shoot the .41 AE. One is a convertible, both 9mm and .41AE and the other is called an Ultra IPSC, .41AE only. The largest user of the cartridge was Israel. They wanted a cartridge with more power for their Uzi's. Two of the major cartridge manufacturers were Samson and UZI, both Israeli. I am not sure who made the most pistols in this chambering, but the Uzi is the only carbine that I have heard of.
The.40 S&W came later and most ammunition manufacturers backed the .40 S&W, even though the .41AE had a slight edge in ballistics.
I love shooting the .41AE and stocked up on enough ammo, brass and bullets (170, 185, 200 and 210 grain) to keep me going - and maybe the Grandkids too.
I picked up the XD40 3" Mod 2 and 4" Mod 2 for $330 each both new.The best part about .40 guns is that hey are much cheaper than 9mm and 45s used.
Now i don't own a .40 but if I wanted a cheap glove box gun I'm sure I could pick up a decent Glock for under $400 or an M&P for $300.
Nah. Lol
I like the Sierra 170 grain and 185 grain (Reeds) best. The heavier bullets seem to bulge the cases enough to make chambering in my Ultra difficult to impossible if you are not careful. It took me several hours to remove a cartridge that my brother loaded with the 200 grain Remington and bulged the cases slightly. The chamber is very tight - not so much on my convertible.If you should ever decide that you have too much of it, I seem to be unable (imagine that) to convince any brass maker to produce a short run. After wanting the caliber for decades, Last year I bought an Action Arms High Power conversion (barrel,mag, spring) plus 40 rounds of IMI HP ammo, about 40 handloads and 90 rounds of new brass for $140. Have emailed Speer, IMI/Samson, even PRVI Partizan in Serbia! So far no takers. Heck, I may have to start a .41 AE blog to get some interest. I note that, on the 30th anniversary of the cartridge, .41AE dies sell every time they're listed on eBay, so the shooters are out there. And, a 210 grain at 900-950 is pretty danged lethal.
I do know that the owner of Rainier Ballistics loves the .41 bore, so a plated bullet lighter than 210 gr. might be doable if enough members make contact.
As to its place in the world of shooting, I like to think of the .41 AE as the 40 S&W turned up to 11.
Thanks! Are those bulged cases IMI or other? 210 is a pretty long bullet, and seating it to the correct COL may cause it to engage the taper to the web of the case, thus bulging the case. As to fishdude, I bought a polygon bore Jericho conversion kit from him for my son. Those are cheap, as the kits seem far less in demand than those for High Ppwers and clones. Fishdude was looking ahead over the past two decades or so, accumulating .41 AE components and is a true market capitalist. As limited as the market is, I simply don't like the rather opportunistic asking prices. Not on a pension and SS Disability, anyway.I like the Sierra 170 grain and 185 grain (Reeds) best. The heavier bullets seem to bulge the cases enough to make chambering in my Ultra difficult to impossible if you are not careful. It took me several hours to remove a cartridge that my brother loaded with the 200 grain Remington and bulged the cases slightly. The chamber is very tight - not so much on my convertible.
There is a .41 expert on GunBroker (fishdude65) who was making .41 AE with .41 mag cases. It is not hard to do with the right equipment. He was selling them $49/50. Reeds may have some too (internet).
There used to be a .41 AE forum that tried to get Starline to make a run of brass. It never amounted to anything.
If you should ever decide that you have too much of it, I seem to be unable (imagine that) to convince any brass maker to produce a short run. After wanting the caliber for decades, Last year I bought an Action Arms High Power conversion (barrel,mag, spring) plus 40 rounds of IMI HP ammo, about 40 handloads and 90 rounds of new brass for $140. Have emailed Speer, IMI/Samson, even PRVI Partizan in Serbia! So far no takers. Heck, I may have to start a .41 AE blog to get some interest. I note that, on the 30th anniversary of the cartridge, .41AE dies sell every time they're listed on eBay, so the shooters are out there. And, a 210 grain at 900-950 is pretty danged lethal.
I do know that the owner of Rainier Ballistics loves the .41 bore, so a plated bullet lighter than 210 gr. might be doable if enough members make contact.
As to its place in the world of shooting, I like to think of the .41 AE as the 40 S&W turned up to 11.
Precisely. 45 ball is at 370ft. lbs. and is considered the standard. The Sierra manual shows their 170 grain at 1150 for 499 ft. lbs. Impressive. Can do that with 7.2 Unique. Don't remember what Col. Cooper had to say about it, but 40/200/1000 was his magic formula for success. Evan Whildin was a visionary and cartridge genius IMO. Can you imagine any of the new mini poly 9s, like a SCCY with a .41 barrel? A more shooter-friendly semi-auto equivalent to the Charter 44 Bulldog (had a couple of those).At 950 fps at 210-grain slug is generating 420.9 foot-pounds of energy. That's pretty healthy. If one were to use a 150-grain Lehigh "Extreme Hunter" projectile blowing out the barrel at about 1200 and generating 479.7 foot-pounds of energy would tend to disrupt internal organs and bring a fight to a rather abrupt stop.
Don't you think?
Yeah boy! Not to mention a 90-100 grain ARX bullet at, oh, way up there speed.At 950 fps at 210-grain slug is generating 420.9 foot-pounds of energy. That's pretty healthy. If one were to use a 150-grain Lehigh "Extreme Hunter" projectile blowing out the barrel at about 1200 and generating 479.7 foot-pounds of energy would tend to disrupt internal organs and bring a fight to a rather abrupt stop.
Don't you think?
Yeah boy! Not to mention a 90-100 grain ARX bullet at, oh, way up there speed.