Ideas on pre-empting 2019 Oregon gun legislation

[stickflickin]

Please share any ideas you may have for legally preparing for an assault weapon type ban in Oregon. For example; I was told by a former FFL that all of his AR pattern receivers are registered as SBR's. He believes that this will get around any state restriction or ban legislation and allow him to keep them. He said that he could then put any length upper on that he wanted for whatever purpose he wants. I don't know anything about trusts but wondered if that is another option.

It is difficult to do something proactive when we don't know how the legislation will be written. However, we may not have tine to do something if we wait until we know what it says.

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[bolus]

registering them as SBR's wont help. If oregon can make using a federal C&R federal firearm license illegal they can do what ever they want. Other states make registered machine guns and suppressors also illegal.

Just like other states, I see a lot of non-compliance going on.

 

[User 1234]

Also keep in mind that any creative but fully legal strategies we come up with and post online will be read by the anti freedom groups. They will then add a section to the new law to prohibit the idea.

 

[stickflickin]

Also keep in mind that any creative but fully legal strategies we come up with and post online will be read by the anti freedom groups. They will then add a section to the new law to prohibit the idea.

Let me know the time and place of the secret planning meetings

 

[BSG 75]

Please share any ideas you may have for legally preparing for an assault weapon type ban in Oregon.

Move to Idaho, Utah, or Arizona.

 

[surevaliance]

Move to Idaho, Utah, or Arizona.

... to see the same exactly crap?

 

[User 1234]

Arizona just elected a left wing activist who was on video calling Arizona "the meth lab of democracy" and stating her support for Americans who join ISIS overseas.

 

[BSG 75]

... to see the same exactly crap?

Those are not blue/Democratic states, unlike Washington/Oregon/California.

Best States for Gun Owners (2018)
Best States for Gun Owners (2018) - Guns and Ammo

1. Arizona

An effort to weaken Arizona's firearm law preemption statute was defeated this session, keeping the state at the number one position in our survey for the fifth straight year. Arizona receives 10 points across the board thanks to its permitless (and permitted) carry law, a strong preemption statute, excellent use-of-force laws, and a lack of restrictions on individual firearms and accessories. Beyond a great set of laws, Arizona has one of the most thriving shooting cultures in the nation, a factor that helps it maintain its spot at the top of our list. Anti-gun groups rank Arizona as the worst state in the nation in terms of gun laws; we say it's the best. (Previous ranking: 1)

2. Idaho

Idaho got a huge boost this year when the state updated its use-of-force laws and removed the duty to retreat—this was the only category that kept the state from a much higher rank in years past. The state also receives 9.5 points in the CCW column, since residents and active duty military members can carry without a permit. Idaho also receives full points in the NFA, Black Rifle and Miscellaneous categories, which puts it ahead of Alaska this year. (Previous ranking: 19)

7. Utah

Utah remains a very strong state for gun owners and, but for a CCW permit requirement, it would be a contender for the top spot. The state receives full points nearly across the board thanks to strong use-of-force laws, a lack of individual restrictions that would affect Black Rifles or NFA items and a preemption statute that keeps the cities out of the gun control business. Utah is home to several firearm and accessory manufacturers and is a great place to shoot. Credible reports indicate that Governor Gary Herbert is urging legislative leaders to adopt gun control measures in 2019 so let's hope that the members of the House and Senate hold strong on the Second Amendment. (Previous ranking: 6)

In contrast, Oregon is #33, Washington is #38, and California is #46 on that list. After the Democratic legislative majorities and governors in those three states are done making mischief in 2019 all will probably be ranked even lower.

Arizona just elected a left wing activist who was on video calling Arizona "the meth lab of democracy" and stating her support for Americans who join ISIS overseas.

She's a United States Senator so she has zero influence over state gun control laws in Arizona.

 

[Caveman Jim]

Arizona just elected a left wing activist who was on video calling Arizona "the meth lab of democracy" and stating her support for Americans who join ISIS overseas.

and still in office??? WTH!!!

 

[User 1234]

She may be a federal politician, but what does her election tell you about the direction of Arizona voters?????

 

[BSG 75]

She may be a federal politician, but what does her election tell you about the direction of Arizona voters?????

Kyrsten Sinema Democrat 1,191,100
Martha McSally Republican 1,135,200

She won by 56,000 votes out of over 2 million votes cast.

Republicans currently have a 35 to 25 majority in the Arizona House and a 17 to 13 majority in the Arizona Senate. Arizona's governor is a Republican. Arizona went to Trump in 2016.

Compare that to Washington/Oregon/California where Democrats have majorities or supermajorities in all houses of their legislatures and Democratic governors in all three states. All three states went to Hillary in 2016.

 

[User 1234]

What does it say that a person who vocally speaks out in support of ISIS volunteers killing American soldiers overseas and calling her own state a meth lab is able to win an election? 56,000 votes or 5, it tells me that the influx of California voters to Phoenix is shifting the political winds. It has not taken over yet, but it definitely is a sign that the state is not the safe bet that it was ten years ago.

 

[nammac]

Move to Idaho, Utah, or Arizona.

Wouldn't it be more beneficial to take Oregon back from those who have no regard for the Constitution?

Cancer must be destroyed, lest it just migrated to another part of the body...

 

[BSG 75]

Wouldn't it be more beneficial to take Oregon back from those who have no regard for the Constitution?

Cancer must be destroyed, lest it just migrated to another part of the body...

Gun owners in California have been saying that for the past 15 years: "Stand and fight! Don't run away like a coward with your tail between your legs!! Stop the cancer here before it spreads!!!" blah blah blah. How has all that "fighting" worked out for California gun owners? Democratic voters and politicians and gun control laws have only become more numerous and overbearing.

People have to stop being in denial and look at reality. Oregon and Washington are blue/Democratic states, in fact some of the bluest/most Democrat-dominated states in the country. Oregon's and Washington's Electoral College votes have gone to the Democratic candidate the past eight elections in a row (since 1988, that's 30 years). Even when the vast majority of the states went to George H.W. Bush in 1988, Oregon and Washington went to Michael Dukakis. Even blue states like Massachusetts and Illinois will elect a Republican governor from time to time, but not Oregon or Washington. When someone like Kate Brown can be re-elected, Democrats gain supermajorities in both houses of the Oregon Legislature, and ballot measures ending sanctuary state status and taxpayer-funded abortions lose in a landslide, there is no hope of "taking back Oregon".

Blue/Democratic = more and more gun control. That's a fact. Unless you can figure out a way to keep more and more Democrats moving to Oregon from California and elsewhere, and deporting many of the ones already here, you aren't going to be taking back anything.

 

[nammac]

Gun owners in California have been saying that for the past 15 years: "Stand and fight! Don't run away like a coward with your tail between your legs!!!" blah blah blah. How has all that "fighting" worked out for California gun owners? Democratic voters and politicians and gun control laws have only become more numerous and overbearing.

People have to stop being in denial and look at reality. Oregon and Washington are blue/Democratic states, in fact some of the bluest/most Democrat-dominated states in the country. Oregon's and Washington's Electoral College votes have gone to the Democratic candidate the past eight elections in a row (since 1988, that's 30 years). Even when the vast majority of the states went to George H.W. Bush in 1988, Oregon and Washington went to Michael Dukakis. Even blue states like Massachusetts and Illinois will elect a Republican governor from time to time, but not Oregon or Washington. When someone like Kate Brown can be re-elected, Democrats gain supermajorities in both houses of the Oregon Legislature, and ballot measures ending sanctuary state status and taxpayer-funded abortions lose in a landslide, there is no hope of "taking back Oregon".

Blue/Democratic = more and more gun control. That's a fact. Unless you can figure out a way to keep more and more Democrats moving to Oregon from California and elsewhere, and deporting many of the ones already here, you aren't going to be taking back anything.

A nation was birthed at the end of a barrel of a gun, perhaps a state can be reborn... Just sayin'

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

Kyrsten Sinema Democrat 1,191,100
Martha McSally Republican 1,135,200

She won by 56,000 votes out of over 2 million votes cast.

Republicans currently have a 35 to 25 majority in the Arizona House and a 17 to 13 majority in the Arizona Senate. Arizona's governor is a Republican. Arizona went to Trump in 2016.

Compare that to Washington/Oregon/California where Democrats have majorities or supermajorities in all houses of their legislatures and Democratic governors in all three states. All three states went to Hillary in 2016.

 

[cigars]

She may be a federal politician, but what does her election tell you about the direction of Arizona voters?????

You can thank the out migration from Cali and NY.

 

[tinkerbill]

Wouldn't it be more beneficial to take Oregon back from those who have no regard for the Constitution?

Cancer must be destroyed, lest it just migrated to another part of the body...

I'm 71, a cancer survivor, and partially crippled by a totally blown out knee! It limits my ability to walk very far without a push cart or at least a good stout cane. For sure running is out for me as well but I can still drive a troupe transport, haul and distribute ammo, drive a hot meal truck, and carry wounded soldiers back to a field hospital! Oh, forgot the main thing! I can still carry several weapons on my person and in truck and still am a fairly good shot! Much easier said than done however.
If Oregon keeps getting more and more anti-gun I may have to uproot and move to Idaho! At what point are we as a civilized society when there are no guns for protection from government over-reach and tyranny. Oh, I forgot. That's called slavery, at the mercy of the gulag!

 

[Ownerus]

Are you proposing armed insurrection? Now I know you're not serious. Why don't you take point and lead the charge. We'll see how many supporters join you and how far you go.

Sounds to me like he's proposing a counter to the ongoing insurrection that's already upon us. Does the Constitution and Bill of Rights mean anything or not? Do all existing and new "gun laws" infringe on our right to keep and bear arms or not? Or do we have to wait on a special person in a funny hat or with a magic robe to tell us what "shall not be infringed" really means? Maybe it means it's not really infringed until it's non-existent? If we applied the exact same standards used by gun banners to, say, the vote would that be constitutional? How about a $20 background check and presenting ID and proof of citizenship every time to vote? How about rescinding your right to vote if someone, anyone, is concerned about your mental health? Certainly the vote should be denied anyone below 21 years of age, right?

Moving to a (for now) free state may buy some time for those hoping the bear will eat them last but it likely won't be much.

Anyway, we all know there won't be any armed resistance to even MORE gun bans. At least certainly not before it's way too late. More importantly, THEY know there won't be. So, for all intents and purposes, the 2nd Amendment is a dead letter in a country that thinks RIGHTS are really just privileges that can be voted away.

 

[fredball]

MOVE TO IDAHO