I've been safe shopping for an entire week. I started out thinking I could get a basic 20 gun, 30 minute, 500 lb. safe for $500. Boy was I wrong! I've quickly learned that I need to double my budget for an entry level safe. So fine... $1,000 it is! Now it becomes a game of "what's the best 20 gun safe I can get for $1,000." I've been literally everywhere: Big Box Stores Dicks - you can spend $1,000 here, but it's no-name crap and they don't deliver. Fisherman's Marine - decent "gun brand" safes, but overpriced for what they are (e.g. Browning for $1,100) and delivery consists of the sales clerk handing you a card for a 3rd party company who I'm told charges $200 - $300. Fail! Coastal Farm - Nicest safes I've seen at a big box store: Freedom Security (by Liberty), but $1,000 get's you an ugly Chinese model... you need $1,700 to get a decent American made safe. Same 3rd party delivery routine. Do I really need to double my budget again to $2,000?? Local Gun Shops NW Armory - Love this store, but safes are not their niche... $1,100 for a Winchester (which, like the Browning, is obviously just a Chinese safe in disguise). Not sure about delivery, but I'm sure it's not included. MK Tactical - Don't sell safes, but they refer me to an independent guy in Troutdale who quotes me $700 + delivery for a basic, no-name, black safe. I'm not paying $1,000 delivered for a generic Chinese safe I've never seen before. Safe Stores Fort Knox - This guy is classic. The showroom is by appt. only. So I call to make said appt. In a rather abrupt and rude manner, I'm told that he only has 1 safe in the showroom, the rest are in storage by the Expo Center (apparently he keeps them there an only really shows them at the gun shows). "Okay..." I think to myself. "I took the afternoon off work for this???" Liberty - Once again, by appt. only. So I get an appointment but it's not for a 3 hours. So I kill time, then eventually head all the way down to Hubbard. On the phone I'm assured there are plenty of safes in stock, incl. the model I asked about (Revere 20 which is priced at $1,089 delivered). Upon arrival, I immediately notice alcohol on salesman's breath. Then I get a 45 minute lesson on why Liberty safes rule... I finally get down to brass tacks... can I get the Revere 20 (which I'm looking at) delivered to my coat closet? He tells me $70 extra to take it from front door to the closet (1st floor, maybe 20 feet away). So I cave, say I'm willing to pay the price (still seems better than paying $1,000 + for the other junk I've seen). Only then does he tell me, "You can't have that safe." When I ask why, he gives me two answers, 1) It's "in the process" of being sold, then the story changes to, 2) It's the floor model and I can't sell it. So I'm told I have to wait 3 weeks. I press and say, "I want that one. I'm ready to pay." He hems and haws and still says no, sort of (doesn't seem real sure of himself). I can't believe this! I drove an hour for this!! I'm standing in a safe warehouse, full of safes. I have my credit card out. I'm ready to go. And this guy can't close me! Would you believe this guy let me walk out w/out taking my money? He seems confused as to whether the safe I want is available or not so I tell him to figure it our and call me tomorrow. I wonder if he'll call. Probably not. Tracker - While I know these are Chinese, and not particularly attractive, I'm liking the prices listed on their web page. I called several times today before driving to Vancouver, but no answer. I don't leave a message. Why should I? I'm tired of begging people to show me product and make a sale. Any ideas guys... I've never been so frustrated.