Washington I-1639 / More info

[User 1234]

Question: Rifle/pistol conversion. As I understand it, federal law does not recognize rifle to pistol conversion. Adding a shorter barrel it becomes a SBR and making your wallet $200 lighter. Pistol to rifle conversion is allowed. Now with this new law, semi rifles more egregious to obtain and own than pistols (with the new education requirements.)

So, under federal law, you can't convert a rifle to pistol. Under I-1639, it should be'unlawful' to convert pistol to a rifle due to having to take a class before possession of a rifle. Or would you have to take a class before conversion?

What if you already own a pistol and convert it after July 1? Grandfather clause?

If you convert a pistol to a rifle yourself, e.g. no FFL dealer is transferring a semi auto rifle to you, then 1639 does not prevent you from doing so, e.g. adding a stock and 16.1" barrel.

 

[11Charlie]

Keep telling yourself that. I'm sure it will be a comfort.

The new law defines what the State considers an "assault rifle ". You can ignore the facts at your own peril.

If not mistaken I think he was being sarcastic.

 

[Kid@Heart]

If not mistaken I think he was being sarcastic.

Pretty sure I was, too.

 

[11Charlie]

Pretty sure I was, too.

 

[rdb241]

Keep telling yourself that. I'm sure it will be a comfort.

The new law defines what the State considers an "assault rifle ". You can ignore the facts at your own peril.

and in that definition, stripped lowers are not included.

 

[GWS]

and in that definition, stripped lowers are not included.

Winner winner chicken dinner!

 

[quneur]

Complete lowers?

 

[User 1234]

A complete lower is not semi automatic.

 

[IOM]

 

[jjfitch]

Active military and prior military should be exempt from "firearms training!" We were trained once!

Regarding 60% passing this law, well...

When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those who inhabit a mere 259 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election. Travis Dorsch

The above quote was taken after the 2016 national election but the same reasoning could be applied at the state level.

No friggin' snit! As a retired LEO and POST certified firearms instructor I asked my Sheriff if I was certified to be an instructor under I-1639 and or would I be required to get "training"! He got the "deer in the headlights look and couldn't answer.

He also couldn't answer how or who would do the "training" yada-yada-yada!

So here we are in limbo once again!

John

 

[slimmer13]

No friggin' snit! As a retired LEO and POST certified firearms instructor I asked my Sheriff if I was certified to be an instructor under I-1639 and or would I be required to get "training"! He got the "deer in the headlights look and couldn't answer.

He also couldn't answer how or who would do the "training" yada-yada-yada!

So here we are in limbo once again!

John

Sorry, but whether LEO/active duty/vets "should" be exempt is irrelevant. Everyone "should" be exempt. "Shall not be infringed" and all.

People really need to stop looking at these infringements as good faith efforts to reduce crime, and realize they are systemic efforts to stigmatize, inconvenience and punish gun ownership.

 

[IOM]

 

[DRZ400S]

Lol

 

[ACO]

Form 1 all the way, but did I just read elsewhere that even pistol transfers will make you waive hippa or accept random background checks for life? I put off ordering a PSAK-P due to funds and the form 1 work around plan, but if I'm still subjected to giving up any rights for life with even a pustol transfer, then I'm angry now. No way to get it expressed here by sunday. (PSA is very slow)

 

[Talos32]

What's the effect of all this on C&R FFLs?

 

[ActionHero1980]

Form 1 all the way, but did I just read elsewhere that even pistol transfers will make you waive hippa or accept random background checks for life? I put off ordering a PSAK-P due to funds and the form 1 work around plan, but if I'm still subjected to giving up any rights for life with even a pustol transfer, then I'm angry now. No way to get it expressed here by sunday. (PSA is very slow)

My understanding is Yes, pistols will require permanently waiving your HIPPA rights. There will be an annual check (if not more often) for life. Pistols however, do not require taking the class.

 

[American123]

No friggin' snit! As a retired LEO and POST certified firearms instructor I asked my Sheriff if I was certified to be an instructor under I-1639 and or would I be required to get "training"! He got the "deer in the headlights look and couldn't answer.

He also couldn't answer how or who would do the "training" yada-yada-yada!

So here we are in limbo once again!

John

Say you are trained, viola, you are. There is no specifically recognized program people must complete, nor a specifically recognized program to gain certification to instruct, the whole thing is a huge cluster of poo, the worst kind, the kind that can only come from the minds of anti-freedom folks. It is a seriously unaddressed mental illness that has swept heavily populated areas of the nation.

 

[American123]

Sorry, but whether LEO/active duty/vets "should" be exempt is irrelevant. Everyone "should" be exempt. "Shall not be infringed" and all.

People really need to stop looking at these infringements as good faith efforts to reduce crime, and realize they are systemic efforts to stigmatize, inconvenience and punish gun ownership.

Make no one exempt. Having one set of rules for the public and another set for any other group of people is exactly the elitist BS that keeps some law enforcement from backing gun rights. Until some people themselves are bit by an overreaching and unconstitutional law, they don't care.

 

[coop44]

Given the lack of competence at every governmental level I am going to watch and see how this sh!t show plays out. Buying a couple of receivers friday.

 

[coop44]

Mental illness is a wide net. Neuroses are generally transient, fear of heights, clowns, babies, etcetera. Remove the stressor and everything is fine. Depression is treatable, a profound sadness is usually treatable caused by specific events in one's life. Sociopathy and Psychosis are other things entirely.

Being a sociopath and a classic narcissist, I wonder if Trump could qualify to buy a gun in Washington.

The problem is, as near as I can tell, is if some one was treated for, say, depression 20 years ago and recovered. Likely they would still be denied their right to purchase a firearm.