Help identifying ammunition

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by dolphins84te, Feb 8, 2010.

  1. dolphins84te

    dolphins84te
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    I got a box of some vintage ammo at a garage sale recently. There are some here that I cannot identify.

    The first two here are the same length as 30-06. One (with smaller primer) is FMJ and has F A 43 on the headstamp. The second (larger primer) has is a jacketed bullet with lead tip and has R A 43 on the headstamp.

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    The second group here on stripper clips is possibly the same length as a 45-70 or 7.65 ARG MAU (according to my Lyman E-ZEE case length gauge). They are FMJ (brass, not copper) and have I MMA P B || 1947 || on the headstamp.
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    Finally, we have two very different bullets. The smaller one appears to be the same length as a 32-20. Headstamp is L C 54. The second seems to be the length of an 8mm Mauser with K .DWM. K 528 on the headstamp.
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    Any of these worth anything to anyone? Trades?
     
  2. darkminstrel

    darkminstrel
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    That last one(K .DWM. K 528) is an 8 x 56 mannlicher Schonauer cartridge
     
  3. motoman98

    motoman98
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    Dial indicator on the bullets and length of brass?
     
  4. country boy

    country boy
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    Do you reload? If so, take your caliper and measure all of the dimensions and compare them to those in a reloading manual.
     
  5. Dyjital

    Dyjital
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    I have a couple questions regarding a headstamp too:


    DAG93L0404

    DAG is traced to the location in Germany, though the rest is unknown to me.
    Unknown caliber, unknown cartridge size.
     
  6. bcp

    bcp
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    Military headstamps often just give the date and maker. The intended users seldom have any near identical cartridges to get confused about, so cartridge ID isn't needed. For example, US military brass in WWII had only the arsenal and year, so it would be possible to have very different cartridges (30 Carbine, 30-06, 45 ACP, 50 BMG, 20mm, 40mm, etc) with identical headstamps. None would be confused by the user with any other.

    But years later, in a different situation, we need measurements to identify cartridges.

    Base diameter
    Shoulder diameter
    Neck diameter

    Body length
    Neck length
    Overall case length

    Bullet diameter, if possible

    Here is a good place to start when you have measurements. Metric calibers are at the bottom of the page.
    http://stevespages.com/page8d.htm


    Bruce
     
  7. Dyjital

    Dyjital
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    Appreciate it BCP.

    I compared the round to my 300 Sav and it's very close to the same size, slightly taller case and longer bullet.

    I'll see if I can get a caliper sometime soon to do a fair measurement.

    Thanks again!
     
  8. toolfan

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    Did the OP ever get his sorted out?

    I think the first two are 30-06, and the primers are the same size, the swaging just makes them look different.

    I assume you measured just the case with the case gage? 308 win/7.62 NATO has pretty darn close to the same case length as 45-70. 45 is too early for .308 though, I think. 7mm Mauser has a slightly longer case, you could measure the bullet diameter and have a pretty good guess. (.308" vs .284")

    The smaller one in the third looks like probably 30 carbine to me.
     

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