Health Care Bill and Gun Compromise...

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Prison is a waste of taxpayer's money, and in fact is unbiblical (not going to argue that, it's a fact, though)

Please don't state something unless you are prepared to defend it! Prison for theft is a legitimate form of punishment, always has been.

Since we are not living in a Jewish theocracy any old testament scriptures are advisory in nature on the subject.

**** is the ultimate prison.

Paul, who wrote directly to we gentiles, (The only one who did BTW) says very little about civil government, and offers little or no advice to gentile civil governors.

Taking scripture out of context is responsible for a multitude of errors, I'm thinking specifically of replacement theology which is responsible for German antisemitism and the holocaust. The devil knows scripture better than any man and knows how to twist it.

Please cite in the Paul's writings where he said gentile government should not use prison for punishment for theft.

 

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Fire them all this fall.

No, fire everyone who voted for the socialist bill! Many good men and women stood against it.
If we fired them all who would replace them? The politicians who are waiting in the sidelines, that's who! They are an unknown group, they are doubtless as bad or worse than what we have now!

Keep those who on average vote according to the Constitution. If you can't distinguish between bad legislators and good ones please don't vote at all.

 

[mudnducs]

No, fire everyone who voted for the socialist bill! Many good men and women stood against it.
If we fired them all who would replace them? The politicians who are waiting in the sidelines, that's who! They are an unknown group, they are doubtless as bad or worse than what we have now!

Keep those who on average vote according to the Constitution. If you can't distinguish between bad legislators and good ones please don't vote at all.

We split here my friend. Republicans had their chance too. Look at Bush with his domestic policy....it went the same way as libs...only a little slower.

No, we need to put the brakes completely on, lock the wheels up...we need to change direction.
Will it be perfect? No. Never has been. But until we start electing true conservatives it will always get worse.

I'm not for throwing the baby out with the bath water...if anyone knows of conservatives who made a stand I'd love to hear about it.
I didn't hear Boo out of Republicans.
I saw no challenges.
I saw no bubblegumslapping in the halls of Congress.
I so no outrage from Republicans.
The one squeak I heard was from Joe Wilson. But I'm sure willing to listen.

 

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.if anyone knows of conservatives who made a stand I'd love to hear about it.
I didn't hear Boo out of Republicans.
I saw no challenges.
I saw no bubblegumslapping in the halls of Congress.
I so no outrage from Republicans.

How could you have missed the outrage expressed? The Republicans were screaming bloody murder!

Bush screwed up, Obama has screwed up times 50!

But your plan will guarantee more of the same, you want to punish the only people who were crying Cease!

 

[mudnducs]

How could you have missed the outrage expressed? The Republicans were screaming bloody murder!

Bush screwed up, Obama has screwed up times 50!

But your plan will guarantee more of the same, you want to punish the only people who were crying Cease!

Like I said...I'm willing to listen. Expressed "outrage" when it's safe to do so. (they knew it was going to pass anyway) doesn't count with me....that's good politics.

Name them.

 

[bugeye]

How could you have missed the outrage expressed? The Republicans were screaming bloody murder!

Bush screwed up, Obama has screwed up times 50!

But your plan will guarantee more of the same, you want to punish the only people who were crying Cease!

Bush screwed up a thousand times, where the heck were you!

I thought the war for nothing (1.5 trillion and counting), creating a new mega wasteful govenment department of homeland security, Letting gas get to $150 per barrel in a highly manipulated futures market, allowing health care insurance companies to charge whatever they wanted, putting sell outs into the FTC and Fed, letting Hank Paulson x ceo of Goldman be treasury secretary (saved him 100 million in taxes right away as he had to divest because he was becomming a public servant - ha) and then good old Hank allows Lehman Brothers to fall an outfit lead by someone Hank disliked - and as a result of that fall AIG had to be bailed out with tax dollars because they sold insurance (CDS) to Goldman that paid them nearly 99 times the price of the insurance (a bit suspicious don't ya think?), putting two activist judges in the supreme court - Roberts lead the decision to allow corporations to own elections - nice move, putting hundreds of pro money judges into the lower courts, allowing incompetents to be in charge of rebuliding Iraq with the unaccountablity of 10 billion dollars that was dispensed in cash - yikes, not allowing bath party members who knew how to run iraq to work, creating millions of Iraqi terrorists by not figuring out how to get them jobs, allowing torture to become public, Abu Garib - yeah I bet it was just them dopey jailers, giving a plug for his tax cut during a speech about the shootings at Santana High School, Supporting ENRON and actually letting them set government policy that resulted in the deregulation that ENRON used to shaft the public, Horse lawyer and Katrina - your doing one heck of a job browine, and I could go on for another two pages just from memory.

Now these are things that actually happend, that Bush had some responsiblity for, this isn't just my delusions, while your arguments are just delusions, that you can't support with actual events. But don't think I'm saying that you've been brainwashed just because you shout it so much better than I could everytime you make a comment.

 

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Bush screwed up a thousand times, where the heck were you!

You missed my statements meaning, whatever mistakes Bush made Obama has topped 50 times! Bush was a pawn of powerful behind the scenes power mad one world government types, but Obama is, I believe with all my heart, a willing pawn of satan.

 

[mudnducs]

Even when we agree, we disagree.


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I thought the war for nothing (1.5 trillion and counting),

[B]CONSTITUTIONAL spending.[/B]


creating a new mega wasteful govenment department of homeland security,

agreed...think libs will let it die? Right, noooot likely?
Who should Americans fear more for having this power? Libs/progs....because they know what's best...just ask them. This administration continues to show that propensity daily...why bother with bipartisan approval when you can just ram it on home?
"Get those evil Tea Bagger terrorists!"



Letting gas get to $150 per barrel in a highly manipulated futures market,

Letting? LETTING? I love it when progressives just blows right by an assertion, simply assuming they are correct or hoping no one will notice or call them on it.
Beyond laws against monopoly and other laws that corporations must abide by, it is not governments domain to set prices.

What's weird is how libs will scream about evil corporate power and then turn right around and place an entire monopoly of power in the hands of a strong central government...never realizing they are building the agent for destruction of, if not their own, then their childrens or grandchildrens liberty. History will show it as sure as the sun rises.


allowing health care insurance companies to charge whatever they wanted,

again with the "letting"?



putting sell outs into the FTC and Fed, letting Hank Paulson x ceo of Goldman be treasury secretary (saved him 100 million in taxes right away as he had to divest because he was becomming a public servant - ha) and then good old Hank allows Lehman Brothers to fall an outfit lead by someone Hank disliked - and as a result of that fall AIG had to be bailed out with tax dollars because they sold insurance (CDS) to Goldman that paid them nearly 99 times the price of the insurance (a bit suspicious don't ya think?), putting two activist judges in the supreme court - Roberts lead the decision to allow corporations to own elections - nice move, putting hundreds of pro money judges into the lower courts,

Stuffing the courts? This is hilarious...you really need to read what Mark Levin write on what a victory the latest ruling from the Supremes is for America.
Beyond that...Ruth Bader Ginsburg? HelLLO! Progressives really need to quit whining when their own tactics are used against them.



allowing incompetents to be in charge of rebuliding Iraq with the unaccountablity of 10 billion dollars that was dispensed in cash - yikes,

Rest assured...it was accounted for and the guys dispensing the cash didn't do so without cause. They did it to get Iraq on it's feet quickly. Mission accomplished!



not allowing bath party members who knew how to run iraq to work, creating millions of Iraqi terrorists by not figuring out how to get them jobs, allowing torture to become public, Abu Garib - yeah I bet it was just them dopey jailers, giving a plug for his tax cut during a speech about the shootings at Santana High School, Supporting ENRON and actually letting them set government policy that resulted in the deregulation that ENRON used to shaft the public, Horse lawyer and Katrina - your doing one heck of a job browine, and I could go on for another two pages just from memory.

It was Bush! GET BUSH! Evil Bush didn't fight the perfect lib war and quickly surrender as an act of contrition...saving us poor aggressive Americans the embarrassment of winning! pfft.



Now these are things that actually happend, that Bush had some responsiblity for, this isn't just my delusions, while your arguments are just delusions, that you can't support with actual events. But don't think I'm saying that you've been brainwashed just because you shout it so much better than I could everytime you make a comment.


At least we know where you're coming from...sounds like a rant.

 

[bugeye]

You missed my statements meaning, whatever mistakes Bush made Obama has topped 50 times! Bush was a pawn of powerful behind the scenes power mad one world government types, but Obama is, I believe with all my heart, a willing pawn of satan.

Lol, "willing pawn of satan", yeah that says it all, and you just know this, no real events or facts are required for this to be absolute truth between your two ears. And you're proud of this because? And then I check with your favorite sell out pundits to see what sort of decayed fish they are feeding you and big surprise, no facts there either.

"I believe with all my heart", ok man but where is your brain?

 

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"I believe with all my heart", ok man but where is your brain?

That's ironic coming from a lib.

 

[mudnducs]

Heritage President Ed Feulner Responds to President Obama's Claims
Posted March 30th, 2010


President Obama this morning cited The Heritage Foundation's research in an attempt to sell his health care package as a "middle of the road, centrist approach." We take great exception to this misuse of our work and abuse of our name. This is but the latest act in a campaign to sell this big-government program as a moderate law that incorporates conservative ideas. Americans should not be fooled.

Let's be very clear: We oppose this new law because it is a radical new intrusion into the daily lives of all Americans and a massive takeover of one-sixth of the U.S. economy. We view the President's health care law as inimical to our national interests and offensive to the historic American dedication to the principle of self-government.

Our research has shown that President Obama's health approach is financially unsustainable and will ultimately lead to health care rationing, a lower quality of care and a greater degree of dependence on government. We deplore those outcomes and are committed to making the intellectual case for this law's repeal.
What part of that does President Obama not understand?

Specifically, President Obama told NBC's Today Show host Matt Lauer that a centerpiece of his health care package, "in terms of the exchange, just being able to pool and improve the purchasing power of individuals in the insurance market—that originated from The Heritage Foundation."

But the President knows full well—or he ought to learn before he speaks—that the exchanges we and most others support are very different from those in his package. True exchanges are simply a market mechanism to enable families to choose their health insurance. President Obama's exchanges, by contrast, are a vehicle to introduce sweeping regulation and federal standardization on health insurance.
Moreover, we completely disagree that President Obama's law improves the purchasing power of individuals in the insurance market. On the contrary, it will create a staggeringly complex and costly insurance system that will drive up premiums for Americans.

The President's health care law is only eight days old, and already it has cost our economy billions of dollars. Late last week, AT&T alone took a $1 billion charge because of the impact of the bill, and the consulting firm Towers Watson told the Wall Street Journal that the total hit this year will reach nearly $14 billion. It is sad, given the present state of our economy, that the President's party in Congress has reacted not by trying to find ways to spare the jobs that will be lost because of this law. Instead, they are trying to intimidate companies that take such charges with threats that they will be hauled in before the Energy and Commerce Committee.

It is also revealing that President Obama is still struggling to sell the American people on a bill that he and his party rammed through passage by a narrow margin in the face of bipartisan opposition. It is a sign of desperation that he, his handlers and the media echo chamber are reverting to the campaign practice of selling the President and his policies as centrist, middle of the road and aisle-crossing. As the country has found out the hard way in the past 15 months, they are none of those things.

The President has made a habit of using conservative talking points when trying to sell a liberal ideology because he knows that this is a center-right country that rejects his agenda when articulated honestly. His supporters have even tried to pin the blame of the potentially unconstitutional individual mandate on us. This approach brushes over the details of our research and ignores our ability to evolve past further developed research.

Over 16,000 new IRS agents will be hired by the government to enforce the President's mandate on the American people. The President's health care plan also raises premiums, taxes, and costs while lowering quality, and expanding Medicaid. These are not conservative ideas.

And let's be clear, these are not ideas Heritage has ever, or would ever, support.

We made every effort over the past year to share our ideas for better health care reform with the President and members of both parties in Congress, but were not invited behind the closed doors. Now, after the bill is signed, it seems the President wishes we were along for the ride. We were not. We remain fervently opposed to the President's partisan plan, and urge its immediate repeal. This is not common politics, it's common sense.

Had President Obama limited his bill to centrist elements, he would have won wide bipartisan support for effective reform both within Congress and among the American people. He would have won it, too, at a fraction of the cost of this intolerable, huge and intrusive legislation. He would not now be facing popular rejection by the American people. And he would not need to misrepresent Heritage policies and positions in an attempt to give his radical health plan the patina of respectability.

 

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