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And how wrong you are!
What if one or two people had been armed in the Aurora shooting?
Huh? What post were you reading?
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And how wrong you are!
What if one or two people had been armed in the Aurora shooting?
locobob ... it is dark, there is teargas in the air, smoke, gunpowder, people screaming and moving every which way, blood, there a number of people with guns drawn. Who are the good guys, and who are the bad ? Who are people going to shoot at ? Of course they are not scared, because they visit gun friendly boards and have a CHL. hmmmm I'll pass.
Well I am aware that once in a while people will have accidents or do stupid things but... those are the statistical outliers not the norms. If you live your life based on fear of outliers then you're not going to have much of a life.
I agree with you that the recent theater shooting would have been a difficult scenario for a CHL holder... but I also think most CHL holders are not going to randomly blaze away if confused or unsure. I'm thinking most would instinctively seek cover then draw and probably not fire a shot unless they had a pretty good idea who the target was. It's hard to say what might have happened, I wasn't there and I'm guessing neither were you.
It's much like religion or politics. Some people are very happy with their beliefs, no matter where they came from, fact, fairy tale, or just plain ignorance. I personally prefer my beliefs to be grounded in logic, education, and reality. Still, its not necessarily bad to challenge others' beliefs in friendly manner. Perhaps something you say might stick.Would that be American Soldiers? Considering the AK is not a US issued weapon.... But we will not go there. Best advice? Avoid any and all debates with antis completely.
No doubt. When the Thurston shooting occurred I was a student at Springfield High. I remember details well. People tackled him. One guy took a bullet straight through his hand, another in the head, but numbers overwhelmed him. They were heroes. Were it not for their bravery he could have continued to shoot.You know what, forget the guns. Why didn't someone try and tackle this guy?
Wow, strange attitude for someone on a gun forum...
I drove down the freeway today surrounded by thousands of people zipping around at 60+mph in 2 ton vehicles, amazingly I did not see a single crash. I was also at the gun club last week next to a bunch of people with auto-loading rifles, by some miracle no one was injured. By your logic there should have been mass carnage because the average American is not to be trusted with anything that is potentially dangerous. While we like to bubblegum about all the stupid people in the world the evidence would seem overwhelming that most people can in fact be trusted to behave responsibly most of the time. So why would you assume that a CHL holder would start wildly spraying bullets in a crowded movie theater?
Yesterday the president made a comment that left me uncomfortable and gave a glimpse of the future that is very bad! The presidents remark was blah,blah,blah, I feel an AK-47 belongs in the hands of a soldier,not civilian, blah,blah,blah........Wait....WHAT?!?
"I believe an AK-47 belongs in the hands of a soldier,not civilians"
Wow, you presented a worse case scenario. Why?
Ok I'll play.
What if he's a 24 year old veteran who's been trained to function while being gassed? Would it be ok if he defended his family?
You don't think it's a good idea for citizens to own a "weapon with auto-load capability"
You don't think it's a good idea for civilians to defend themselves against a mass murderer.
Gotta ask. Hook, you own guns. Why?
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Simple ... I practice for worst case scenarios. I reckon you hope for the best and come out shooting. If the shooter is close enough to be an immediate threat(he is close enough to grab his belt buckle) I reckon anything goes and shooting the guy to take focus off the family gives them an opportunity to escape death. On the other hand, it draws attention right to you and your family. You really think your little pea shooter is going to cause a significant effect to win the day ? As I recall some guy came running down from his apartment with his .45acp to save the day and ended up dead as the bad guy had armor and an AK-47. Had his family been with him I suspect they too would be dead.
I think it more prudent to focus on getting the family and self out of harms way (unless the bad guy is at belt buckle distance) than in taking on an armored shooter with a rifle and shotgun.
You sure seem to like to formulate judgements about what I think. Perhaps you might evaluate your thoughts a little more closely.
Yes I own guns. Why ? Why not ? I even have some auto loaders. I like the Remington 1100 over the 870, the M1 Carbine over the AR-15, and the S&W 329PD over the .45acp. Different strokes for different folks. In my military service I trained with the M1 Carbine, so maybe I'm not the young hot dog you come across to me as. Young bucks seem to be the same, generation after generation.
Enjoy your illusions.
I disagree. Ask them questions and let them admit themselves that they have no clue as to what they are talking about. The point that hunting rifles are a lot more powerful and accurate is a good way to lead the conversation. Ask if they know what calibers these 'assult' rifles use and then ask if they know what calibers are most used in hunting rifles. Don't just tell them, ask them. If you tell them then they will not have the opportunity to say the do not know.
Maybe we saw different speeches, but accuracy is important. Obama said, "I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that an AK-47 belongs in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals — that they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities." Underlining added for emphasis.
Perhaps it was an accident, but changing the text of a quote is generally regared as dishonest at worst and poor form at best.
The one that was quoted in my post that you made about not trusting anyone near you with a weapon.Huh? What post were you reading?
Well said. I like that comparison to a car (i'm going to use that).
Secondly, I see alot of talk about if someone had a CCW in the Colorado shooting things maybe different. Not likely and here is why. Not only as it has been pointed out that the theatre was full of panicking people in the dark fleeing in all directions but nobody has pointed out as far as I can tell that the shooter was covered in balistic armor. So, even if you could get shoots off your kill zone was reduced to about a 9 inch square window on his face. Anywhere else would most likely done little effect unless you had something strong enough to punch a hole in a vest. As far as I know only a couple hand guns will do that and those dont conceal very well.