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"The Glock was the first mass produced successful polymer gun."
Actually the H&K VP-70Z preceded the Glock by years. If the operative term is "successful," yeah, the VP-70Z didn't exactly set the world on fire.
Yes, and the VP-70Z sure beats Glock in the FUGLY gun department.

I had heard way back that the Tenifer finish was discontinued here because it uses cyanide in the process.
Lots of my clients use or produce HCN and many use NaCN or KCN in nitriding salt bath process for heat treatment (for example, the Tennifer process, or the nitriding of Faxon barrels). I used to do the gas and automation for furnaces that did nitro-carburizing (helo gears, all other sorts of stuff, where we would inject NH3 into a 1800°F CH4 or C2H6 atmosphere.) Filthy environments, but honest, hard work.
 
You can make a glock into anything with well documented modifications and how-to's from both a duty and competition perspective. A lot more people shoot and carry glocks than probably any other pistol on the market - if you're willing to spend money on an already expensive pistol.

Exactly my reasons for owning AR's.o_O
AR's are heavy and God awful ugly, but almost all of the parts are interchangeable, I don't need a specialist to make any changes I want and they hit where I'm aiming. :D
 
I'll take an "ugly plastic gun" that works over a finicky metal one that needs 1000 rounds of break in anyday.
 
I like guns. I like my Glock 17 & my 1911, my AR's and my AK. Thats why I don't debate the merits of one over the other. I like all guns, some just more than others. When I go shooting, for pistols, I usually take the Ruger LC9 that I carry a lot and the CZ 75b that I carry less often, once in a while I take the Glock. I take one of my AR's and sometimes my AK. I like guns that go bang when I pull the trigger, all these do, and I like guns that send the bullet where I'm aiming--if I do my part. All these do.
I like long walks on the beach, puppies and spooning.:D:eek:
 
I'm not one to like anything but black or shiny, but my take is that it is soooooo unbalanced. Could be good for MIL use but I would not see and advantage for EDC civilian use.

Honestly, I really like the G17 grip. I have larger hands and find it fits well. The 19 has a good barrel/slide length. BUT...I don't really see where combining the two fits into any of my systems. EDC or even HD.
 
Many of the posts nail it: the Glock just plain works. Accuracy, ergonomics, trigger pull, et al., is good enough for a defensive piece. There is a reason why the company has done so well; the product works as it should.

But many, myself included, have moved on to other options. That, and for want of a better term, it has no "soul", in the eyes of some. Yes, I own one, but hardly ever shoot or carry it anymore, as other arms have filled the rôles it once had. I suppose I could sell it off, but meh, why bother.

At the end of the day, if the Glock works for someone's needs, it is a fine option. Though I still cannot countenance a Hi-Point. Everyone has a limit. :p
 
I like both grips. G19 and G17 just are intended for different use. My G34 has good slide length for competition, my G19 was the best carry gun I ever had.
 

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