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FFL License?

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Phonelesscord, Jun 20, 2010.

  1. Phonelesscord

    Phonelesscord Portland, Oregon Member

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    So I am curious, how does one go about obtaining an FFL01? I have an FFL03 but I am restricted to collecting, no resale for profit. I know a lot about C&R firearms and would love the opportunity to make a small home-based and gunshow-based business from it. I'm having issues finding the right info.

    Anyone want to do an avid learner a favor? :D
     
  2. The Duck

    The Duck Oregon Active Member

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    I am not an expert, so this might just be smoke up the tail pipe...

    But: I think it is simply doing paperwork with the ATF (some might have to be completed locally with a department). Maybe, do the paperwork, pay some price and wait in line?

    This is going off of zero research or first hand experience?

    30 second search yield:
    http://www.fflkit.com/ (seems to be a good site for the average Joe)
    http://www.atf.gov/forms/dcof/ (order forms from the atf)
     
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  3. Phonelesscord

    Phonelesscord Portland, Oregon Member

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    I hope a couple of the local dealers will be generous enough to enlighten me!

    I have no current interest in a "brick and mortar" store, at least not just yet. I know there's the whole issue of zoning and such? I don't understand any of that. My ideal idea is to be able to sell firearms at gunshows, having my own booth. Mostly antique and collectible surplus at a decent price.
     
  4. The Duck

    The Duck Oregon Active Member

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    The one dealer which has impressed me the most on here is Sully with Blackwater Tactical. He seems to be a straight shooter and a stand up guy...

    He might be an avenue to look at. I don't know him personally so I cannot tell you if he will walk you through the process or not (i.e. just a suggestion).
     
  5. Phonelesscord

    Phonelesscord Portland, Oregon Member

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    That was my backup plan, contacting local dealer directly xD

    I can guarantee, the guys I would ask, I wouldnt be directly competing with (entirely different product mostly).
     
  6. spider

    spider Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    I want my ffl01, just received my application packet from the atf, you fill out 4 forms, send them all in, with finger print cards and a check. It seems most ffl01 holders were in some type of military, its actually one of the questions on the form. But I know some plain Jane types that got their ffl01, ill be picking their brain soon, after i get my juvi record
     
  7. Phonelesscord

    Phonelesscord Portland, Oregon Member

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    What did it say about requiring you to have a physical store?
     
  8. Murphy

    Murphy Oregon Member

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    The atf has granted 01 licenses to non brick and mortar stores in the past.

    I know of one in Portland who continues to reapply and is granted his license everytime. He does not stock anything but will order anything you want.
     
  9. spider

    spider Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    Store can be at your place of residents, but atf says its can come and inspect your facility at anytime. Also asks if you rent/lease/own the property that the ffl licensee will be conducting business out of. And to provide all that information.
     
  10. sasquatch98226

    sasquatch98226 Bellingham Member

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    There are zoning issues, there are issues with having to be able to "secure" inventory, there is also the need to show intent to make a profit, not just for a personal collection, and if I recall, there is also a requirment of a business license. This is all off the top of my head when I ordered the packet for myself.
     
  11. Celtic Armory

    Celtic Armory Port Orchard, WA Member

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    It's actually quite easy to get a dealers/manufacturers license. I have a class 07 (Manufacturer) license. First you need to have a business set up (state and city business licenses.) Then you fill out the application from the ATF. They will send you an application package for free.

    Go to http://www.atf.gov/forms/dcof/ and select the "F 5310.12 (F7)". This kit will get you the application and the fingerprint cards. You will need to take the fingerprint cards to your local LEO and have them print you. Make sure to get a couple of them done. Send one with your application to the ATF following all their instructions.

    You'll need to get something for your bound books, either paper or computer. Once you have your FFL you'll then need to get your state or city firearms dealers licenses. I'm not sure what Oregon does, but in WA we have a state license.

    And as it was mentioned, (state law permitting) your place of business can also be your place of residence. I have two sets of everything because I operate my shop out of my home and I have an office for meeting customers because the county required a $5000 permit for me to have a business out of my home and I didn't feel like paying it.
     
  12. Phonelesscord

    Phonelesscord Portland, Oregon Member

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    Been trying t figure out how PDX business licenses work, it's pretty... vague on their websites. This is the only part of a business Im not good at.
     
  13. Phonelesscord

    Phonelesscord Portland, Oregon Member

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    So I got my FFL application papers. It basically says I need a business location. Can this be a home? I intend to mainly deal online and in gunshows.
     
  14. FarmerTed1971

    FarmerTed1971 Portland, Oregon, United States Well-Known Member

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    Plan on owning two gun safes... one for your personal firearms and one for your business stock.
     
  15. HalfNutz

    HalfNutz Kirkland (Juanita) Member

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    I was told that ATF is no longer granting FFL's for home-businesses.... that you had to have a separate office for your business. I'm in WA State if that matters. Several people have told me this. Existing FFL holders are grandfathered in was the explanation I was given.

    Sombeody have the straight dope on this?
     
  16. Celtic Armory

    Celtic Armory Port Orchard, WA Member

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    I have a home based business that I started in Seattle a couple years ago. There was nothing from the ATF saying I couldn't have a home business. I still operate out of my home as well as an office location but that's because of the county, not the ATF.
     
  17. oregonshooter

    oregonshooter AMERICA Member

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    I will shortly. They just cashed my check for type 01 out of home, so in about 4-6 weeks I should be meeting with the local agent.

    You need a business license and to be zoned correctly. The business lic pretty much takes care of the later.

    It's all on the forms which you must order online. CLEO does not sign off, but you need to give him the 3rd copy or the 4.