Feeding their Gun Control Agenda

[Koda]

Write a law that gives them red flag and universal background checks while making right to all semiautos and mags federally protected. They would take the deal, like they took the 10 year sunset on the Crime Bill

Im not confident the left would take such a deal. Im pretty convinced they truly want total prohibition of guns.

Although a bit late for this hypothetical i like the idea behind it.

 

[misterarman]

it's infuriating when they let these guys out early and guess what? They go and commit another crime

It also helps build crime statistics.

 

[RX-79G]

it's infuriating when they let these guys out early and guess what? They go and commit another crime

8 years later.

 

[misterarman]

There is only one reason to disarm people, that's to force them to comply. Comply with what?

Whatever they want or don't want. I don't know what the end gain is other than total control and ruining this country.
Look at the millions of people that have been slaughtered world wide when gun control happens and you don't agree with the people that do have guns.

 

[RX-79G]

Im not confident the left would take such a deal. Im pretty convinced they truly want total prohibition of guns.

Although a bit late for this hypothetical i like the idea behind it.

I don't think there is a monolithic "they". In fact, I know there is not.

 

[misterarman]

I don't think there is a monolithic "they". In fact, I know there is not.

Disagreed. Look at how they vote and you see the they.

 

[Koda]

I don't think there is a monolithic "they". In fact, I know there is not.

Liberal Democrats are the only group I know of that are actively trying to prohibit guns.

 

[Xaevian]

Liberal Democrats authoritarians are the only group I know of that are actively trying to prohibit guns.

FIFY

 

[Koda]

FIFY

Political group?

 

[Reperio]

The problem being, this statement is political in nature. We take the position that guns are inanimate objects. But people that don't like guns take the view that the fascination some people have with them and their ease of use makes their use in suicide and violence more likely than other forms of suicide and violence, thereby increasing the rates of both.

Until someone can affirmatively disprove that guns influence choices, we're going to have to deal with the idea of "gun deaths".


This concept holds true of video games, media and drugs, too.

Hands and feet still far outweigh guns as implements used in causing death.

As for video games, media and drugs - whatever influences those may or may not have, it requires a foundation of mental/spiritual problems in order to manifest into violence being acted out senselessly.

Take one culture in particular, for example, where continuing to beat and kick someone who is down is very common. And they just happen to have an abnormally high violent crime rate per capita.

This all begins in the home and the living room. The few truly broken people (Bundy, Dahmer, Gacie, Ridgeway, et al. . . . and they didn't use guns) will slip through the cracks no matter what.

 

[Reperio]

FIFY

A "FIFY" reply tells me all I need to know about someone.

"Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny."
— Aristotle

It just so happens that females are the majority of democrat voters, and that liberal democrat policies are nearly unilaterally based on emotion rather than data and outcomes. Show me a tyrant and I'll show you an emotional idiot.

 

[RX-79G]

Disagreed. Look at how they vote and you see the they.

Does that mean that a if you vote progun you agree with the candidate about everything?

 

[RX-79G]

Liberal Democrats are the only group I know of that are actively trying to prohibit guns.

You don't think there is anyone who isn't a democrat that wants to ban guns?

 

[Xaevian]

Political group?

Authoritarians are members of all parties and groups. Not all Lib Dems fit your mold. I don't think lumping all together is fair. Party platforms can and do change all the time...in order for the power hungry control freaks to stay in power.

 

[Koda]

You don't think there is anyone who isn't a democrat that wants to ban guns?

No but im talking in general...

 

[Koda]

Authoritarians are members of all parties and groups. Not all Lib Dems fit your mold. I don't think lumping all together is fair. Party platforms can and do change all the time...in order for the power hungry control freaks to stay in power.

Im not sayin all liberals but in general the liberal democrats are actively trying to prohibit guns.
Republicans have passed some anti gun laws but in general they are not actively pursuing prohibition.

 

[Xaevian]

A "FIFY" reply tells me all I need to know about someone.

A "tells me all I need to know" reply does too. Hard to do detail work with a broad brush.

Realize the troll (I don't use that lightly) has me on ignore, so huge chunks of his manifesto is missing from my end of the cinvo.

 

[raftman]

…Write a law that gives them red flag and universal background checks while making right to all semiautos and mags federally protected. They would take the deal…

This may have flown in 1994 but is so laughably absurd by today's standards that I doubt any gun control advocate (yourself included) would say it in good faith. If such a deal could be reached, the gun control advocates would quickly find that what they got out of the deal didn't work and then come back for what's left of gun rights immediately after. For example, in Oregon we already have red flag laws and universal background checks, but violent crime continues to climb unabated which they use to justify going after more and more of our rights. They openly intend to continue until nothing is left.

For another example, with Measure 114, they wouldn't even grant us the concession of grandfathering in 10+ rounds mags we already had before the would-be ban, by limiting where and how they can be used/carried and declaring owners guilty of buying them after the ban until proven innocent, if found in the possession of them. Do these sound like people that can be compromised with in any meaningful way? How about the fact that 114 also required a permit to buy a gun but didn't actually provide any funding or resources to actually issue anyone any permits, teach the required classes, etc, effectively banning all gun sales until however long it took to create a government bureaucracy that could get the act together? They were happy to, in effect, end the 2nd Amendment entirely… and would have succeeded were the matter not taken to court by the no-compromise extremists 2A advocates you condemn.

 

[RX-79G]

No but im talking in general...

Who banned bump stocks? Foreign military rifles?

 

[Xaevian]

Im not sayin all liberals but in general the liberal democrats are actively trying to prohibit guns.
Republicans have passed some anti gun laws but in general they are not actively pursuing prohibition.

It is a small, but very aggressive and vocal minority and they use intimidation and manipulation to direct the actions of the mob. To illustrate only: Not all Germans in Germany were Nazis during the war. There was a distinct "join us, or join them" thing going on.

Not that I am a member of that crowd.