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Family of Dead Armed Robber Calls for Stricter Gun Laws

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by ZigZagZeke, May 4, 2014.

  1. ZigZagZeke

    ZigZagZeke Eugene Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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  2. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    Sounds more like the kid's family is trying to take by legal action what their son tried to take by force.

    Other people's money that they didn't earn.
     
  3. orygun

    orygun West Linn Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    No bubblegum! Who cares what they think?
     
  4. GrpCapMandrake

    GrpCapMandrake Vancouver Active Member

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    If I had a nickle every time some family campaigns that "so and so" was a nice guy, do-the-right-thing kind of kid, never in trouble before and is somehow not responsible for their actions, I would be sitting pretty. Typical though, the bad actions of the perpetrator are everyone else's fault, never the perpetrator. The perpetrator showed ability, opportunity and intent.

    Here's to hoping they lose their civil suit, should they bring one.
     
  5. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    I bet if their wasn't a video of the incident, they could have won too...but I seriously doubt any "legal action" would produce anything but a lot of time, money and grief on all parties.

    You point a gun at me, you're going to get shot.

    Not a lot of grey area there.
     
  6. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt NE Oregon Well-Known Member

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  7. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace Tacoma-ish Well-Known Member

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    Here's the story so you can stay in the thread:

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    The family of an armed robber is speaking out after surveillance video was released of their family member committing an armed robbery.
    On the video Dante Williams is clearly seen entering a South Carolina Waffle House, pointing a gun at employees and customers and attempting to rob the restaurant.
    Justin Harrison was eating at the bar. Harrison, a concealed carry permit holder, was armed. He waited for an opportunity, shot Williams, and attempted to detain the second suspect.
    The family of Williams says that Harrison didn’t need to shoot and shouldn’t have felt threatened. They want to change South Carolina’s carry permit laws to require more training in order to get a permit. "

    Okah, now I have heard everything. With family like that it's not hard to see how an armed robber was the spawn.
     
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  8. ZigZagZeke

    ZigZagZeke Eugene Silver Supporter Silver Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    He's pointing a gun at me and demanding money, but I shouldn't feel threatened? Yeah, got it.o_O
     
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  9. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    If they want to live a life of crime then the gloves are off!!!!!!
     
  10. PiratePast40

    PiratePast40 Willamette Valley Well-Known Member

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    The video does shows that he pursued them as they were leaving the restaurant.
     
  11. GrpCapMandrake

    GrpCapMandrake Vancouver Active Member

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    Not quite perused "them". He attempted to detain the second suspect, got into a bit of a scuffle that managed to move outside as the second suspect fled the scene. The video clearly exonerates Mr. Harrison in his self defense actions.
     
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  12. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    So can Harrison sue the family for not teaching the kid to be a decent human being and for emotional trauma that he has for killing another person?
    Boy I'd get my attorney on it if they tried to sue
     
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    Sstrand La Grande OR Well-Known Member

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    I think that we, the people, should see to it that a life of crime is . . . a short life!!!

    Sheldon
     
  14. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt NE Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Kinda hard to "detain" two armed robbers with one gun.
     
  15. PiratePast40

    PiratePast40 Willamette Valley Well-Known Member

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    It was really hard to tell what was going on. When the initial shots were fired, you can't see Harrison so can't tell that a gun was pointed at him. My assumption was that the shots was fired at the end. I was wrong. Thanks for the correction.
     
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  16. AMT

    AMT Vancouver, WA. Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    Family is probably clearly upset about their son. It is not just them "pushing" the issue. They have an attorney. Who would you put your money on if you were to bet who was urging the family to pursue suing? My money is on someone that will be collecting 1/3 of what the family is awarded.

    Attorney's love grey areas to win their cases.

    Personally..... there are too many starving attorneys that are willing to take cases like this. Morally right or not, they don't care. If they did, they wouldn't touch this case!
     
  17. BigStick

    BigStick Sherwood, OR Well-Known Member

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    More states should pass laws that restrict civil actions against people who are found to have acted in self-defense. Or at least make them pay all legal fees if they lose. That would keep this type of thing from happening.
     
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    AMT Vancouver, WA. Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    And have the attorney face the same punishment/fine as their client!
     
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    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    This is a common misconception when it comes to self defense or defense of another...

    Can you pursue a fleeing felon?

    Yes.

    Can you detain someone and place them under "citizens arrest" if they've committed a felony in your presence?

    Yes.

    Can you, as a citizen, use force on a felon to detain them?

    Yes, but only if that act is to protect other people.

    Can you shoot someone in the back, chase them down and use deadly force on someone that just used unjust deadly force on you or others?

    Absolutely- but only if that individual is still a deadly threat.

    Let me explain...

    Guy tries to rob you/others. He's got a gun out and you pull out your firearm...

    If he drops his gun and runs he is no longer a threat and can no longer shot him. You can try to stop him and detain him, but your best bet is to call the police, tell them what happened and be a good witness to the crime.

    Now, say he doesn't drop the gun...in my opinion- he is still a deadly threat until he is no longer armed. Just because he left the restaurant doesn't mean he's no longer a threat.

    You don't have to wait for the badguy to run to cover or reload to shoot him. He's a threat until he's not.
     
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  20. GrpCapMandrake

    GrpCapMandrake Vancouver Active Member

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    I agree the way it was edited (assuming it was to not show the fatal shot) it was hard to follow. I actually dug through some internet info and went with the statement by the sheriff. If the sheriff says you acted in self defense...well it doesn't get much better than that.

    Although doing a Google search for Waffle House robbery turned up a surprising number of hits, even when I added the name of the town. You take you life in your hands going into one of those places. :eek: