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EMP proof your vehicle.

Discussion in 'Preparedness & Survival' started by SheepDog223, Oct 19, 2013.

  1. SheepDog223

    SheepDog223 Salem Well-Known Member

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    Does anybody KNOW if it's possible to EMP proof your vehicle? Speculation is ok too but please don't speculate with false authority.

    Is it as simple as putting a ground wire from your car body to the ground? (My speculation) or would you have to cover it with a copper net and ground that? (again my speculation)
     
  2. Cuthbert Allgood

    Cuthbert Allgood Clark County, WA Well-Known Member

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    I don't have to worry about EMP's. I ride a bicycle.
     
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  3. jeepseth

    jeepseth Camas Washington Member

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    My understanding is that if your vehicle is not running at the time of the emp, it likely will not be affected. There were some studies done that seemed to show issues affecting running vehicles, most of which were able to be restarted after the emp killed the motors. Some had to have battery cables pulled to reset the computers. The testing was all done on pre 2002 (I believe? ) cars though. Newer may be more problems? Good luck anyway, I think an emp strong enough to cause issues with vehicles will cause so many other issues, ive focused priorities elsewhere. Hope this helps a little.
     
  4. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    I think itd be easier to make an EMP proof shed for the vehicle to reside in. JMO.
     
  5. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    Good article here... How To Prepare Your Car To Handle An EMP And Why You Shouldn't Bother

     
  6. Fast Eddie

    Fast Eddie Vancouver Well-Known Member

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    I would think an old pre electronic ignition vehicle might be the way to go. Gapping the points in in a SHTF world will be just one more use for your hoarded match books.
     
  7. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    My son is a US NAVY electronic's tech with training in Radar/Comm systems and Aviation navigation controls. And he says the best thing is to have the circuit non active. Another words turned off. He also says the Nuke creating the EMP will be a WAY BIGGER PROBLEM then your car won't start.
     
  8. CamoDeafie

    CamoDeafie Albany Well-Known Member

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    there IS such a thing as a Non-Nuclear EMP....
     
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  9. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    As the article quoted, by and large most vehicles made since the beginning will survive EMP with very little damage. This is two fold: first, older vehicles had few components that would actually suffer damage by EMP as there were simply few things that could be damaged. While the even that instigated our knowledge of EMP did indeed damage some vehicles, most were unharmed. As vehicles have become more computer controlled, there has been a huge push to making the sensor systems less susceptible to interference, EMP, for the sake of this exercise is a form of interference albeit more destructive.

    Case in point, I've worked on and off doing radio tech work (climb the pole, put up the antenna) in some of the most RF dense environments in the world, one specifically is the mount wilson transmission site near los angeles. There are multiple 100,000W FM stations at this location, there were MPE (maximum permissible exposure) limits for how long we could be anywhere near the towers, and it was not uncommon for guys with "keyless entry" systems to completely fail while at the site, usually breaking into the car and starting it normally with a key was sufficient to get the vehicle working again, in a few rare cases a tow truck showed up and drug them down the hill at which point they were able to restart.

    The biggest threat posed by EMP is to the electrical grid, because it's physically large in size, and operates at voltages and currents in excess of design capacity (our switchgear has gotten better able to handle these power loads, but it's rare that we string new high tension wires), the size of the grid will allow the radio energy created by an EMP event to induce large amounts of both current and voltage into the wires, while we can understand this scientifically, it will cause massive problems for switchgear, control systems and the like. A really major issue that I think few people who talk about the EMP threat understand... when was the last time the grid went down? to my knowledge there has never been an event so massive that it actually caused the entire electrical grid to go dark. The question at this point would be how in the hell do you turn it back on?

    There's a book written back in the 1960's I've been picking my way through, but essentially it's a primer on how electrical grids operate, how they are built and constructed etc. One of the things mentioned early in the book is the insane mathematical complexity created by electrical grids, factors such as impedence, reactance (AC forms of resistance and capacitance) and how electrical systems are put together has more to do with experience than actual calculation.
     
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  10. mccullogh

    mccullogh NW Oregon Member

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    For the record when the EMP tests were conducted on the vehicles they did not have the budget to buy them so they were borrowed from a loan pool. This meant the tests were limited to levels that would not cause severe damage to the vehicles and they could be returned when they were finished.
     
  11. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    I laugh at the thought of EMP.
     
  12. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    That may be so, but remember that in ANY event... PMS is no laughing matter.
     
  13. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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  14. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    While this may be true, still 25kV/m is not an insignificant amount of energy, as it is more than sufficient to damage traffic lights, grid power distribution systems and many other things that vehicles depend on to operate. Also there is zero mention of the source, or disposition of the vehicles.

    From the EMP commission report:

    Also, while digging around, I found this: EMP Effects on Vehicles - Futurescience.com which summarizes a number of sources

    One of the best articles I found was this one: The Space Review: Rebuttal to “The EMP threat: fact, fiction, and response” (page 1)
    It has extensive focus as a "rebuttal" to many of the suggestions made in the EMP commission report, and it's a very good read, as it deals with many things that come into play that are way outside the scope of the original report.
     
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  15. Brutus57

    Brutus57 Skagit County Well-Known Member

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    I am no electronics wizard but I would think of prepping for Emp as icing on the cake...way lower priority than food, shelter, water, self defense. Having the only vehicle running in the neighborhood might be unhealthy! I'd take some precautions but never at the expense of mor important preps.

    Brutus out
     
  16. Sstrand

    Sstrand La Grande OR Well-Known Member

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    I'm more concerned about where to go to fill my fuel tank after the event . . .

    Sheldon
     
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  17. CamoDeafie

    CamoDeafie Albany Well-Known Member

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    from Wikipedia;
    SO... I truly think the military already have technology to knock out localized electronics area and cause havoc in order to make it easier to mop up.
     
  18. bellarum

    bellarum beaverton Well-Known Member

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    You think traffics bad now...remember a few years ago when the power went out back east? There were so many cars and people on the streets it looked like a kicked over ant hill. Even if you had enough fuel to get to the gas station someone would probably have to manually pump it. Ha! I'm gonna go hide my garden hose in case someone wants to go old school to get fuel....I don't trust you guys:paranoid:
     
  19. CamoDeafie

    CamoDeafie Albany Well-Known Member

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    another reason to stay away from roads. bug in for a while until traffic is eliminated or cleared, or use an off-road capable vehicle, and fit it with wire cutters/barrier break-through systems.
     
  20. mccullogh

    mccullogh NW Oregon Member

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    That came from an interview on Empact America with Dr. William Graham the Chairman of the EMP Commission.

    Thanks I'll read that entire link when I get a chance but Dr. William Radasky and Dr. Peter Vincent Pry are not rebutting the commission report but rather some assertions made by Yousaf M. Butt.